Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[Dr. Strangelove]

Well that Zelensky-Trump meeting was something.

[Dr. Strangelove]

White House removes Russian state media reporter from Oval Office, official says | Reuters

Kind of disturbing that someone with Russian state media was able to slip into the Oval Office without the White House noticing.

[CGVT]

Well that Zelensky-Trump meeting was something.

What a fucking embarrassment.

Trump is a goddamn clown and Vance is a moron.

MAGA, Baby!

[Dr. Strangelove]

[foxhopper]

Did he poop his pants, fall asleep, wander off the stage?

[Dr. Strangelove]

Did he poop his pants, fall asleep, wander off the stage?

He may have pooped his pants. Unconfirmed at this time. Rubio was looking like there was something particularly rank in the room.

[Dr. Strangelove]

The guy asking the question here is MTG’s boyfriend, who works at Real America’s Voice, the network for people who think NewsMax doesn’t worship Trump sincerely enough.

[Mike]

[foxhopper]

X posts and links don't show up for me. I just get a blank post box. Usually OK because 99% of them are from DSL.

Maybe because I have never signed up for X, Twitter, Facebook, tic TOC or that crap.

[Dr. Strangelove]

If you're posting on a work computer your employer probably has a block on most social media.

[foxhopper]

No this is my chromebook. I don't have a govt job or gas and oil job where I can screw around all day doing nothing.

[Mike]

Foxhopper, this is the transcript of the X post I shared.

NEW: The White House is having press staffers eat President Zelensky's lunch after he was kicked out of the Oval Office, according to Fox News.

"Zelensky, we're told, was begging to stay..."

"The lunch that they were supposed to have is sitting right outside the hallway, and the press staffers are going to be eating that lunch."

There is video of him getting into a vehicle and being driving away.

[foxhopper]

Thanks Mike. On my phone everything shows like it is supposed to, but don't use it much for internet browsing.

[Da Geezer]

The best commentary on yesterday's fiasco was from Brit Hume. He said that Trump and Zelensky had a basic disagreement as to which country was helping the other. Trump says we gave enormous amounts of weapons and money to Ukraine in order to save them from a quick defeat by the invading Russians. Zelensky believes that the whole Western world has been the beneficiary of Ukraine's heroism and bloodletting. Zelensky probably has not met resistance to his line of thought before.

[Jeff Buchanan]

I think Zelenski's position is defensible given how the last two D administrations saw the existing world order. Trump believes that world order weakens the US and gives too much power to many of the post WWII organizations and states that arose in the aftermath, e.g., the UN, et al. The fall of the Soviet Union transformed Eastern Europe, weakened Russia, created, among other Soviet satellite states, Ukraine and changed the world of the great powers being the major players in shaping global outcomes.

Trump wants to restore that period that featured the great powers and therefore sees Ukraine as a less useful side show that Trump no longer wants to support elevating Russia to its rightful great world power status. Given Trump's world view and that of how he views the diminution of American power his treatment of Zelenski is understandable and defensible.

How this seeming rearrangement of major power players on the global stage that Trump is seeking plays out is not foreseeable. I think thats the risk here. Where heretofore there has been been thoughtful consideration of grand strategy in America, Trump's approach to defining America's place on the global stage and its relationship with other great powers seems chaotic.