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Whoever was flying the helicopter bears the greatest responsibility. There are likely other factors but if Lobach was, indeed, flying 150 feet above the ceiling, she will ultimately be remembered as the culprit. It sucks for her family but like an ordinary car accident, one of the operators is at fault.
I don’t know why it took so long for the helicopter pilot info to be released but it didn’t seem transparent and that feeds into wild speculation/accusations.
If it comes out she made mistakes then sure, don't cover that up. Have you read anywhere that she was in fact the pilot? I have not so that would be news to me.
I know her identity was concealed for several days at the family's request.
Sorry, I guess what I'm saying is I know she was A pilot I just don't know if it's been confirmed with certainty that she was THE pilot at the time of the crash. Would the Instructor have control of the helicopter at any point?
I went back and listened to some of the final messages between the tower and the helicopter. Can hear below. The voice from the helicopter (PAT25) is pretty clearly a man. I have no clue if the main pilot or the co-pilot would be the one doing that.
I lean towards the helicopter pilot being primarily to blame but if they could tell they were flying 100 feet too high, why didn't the instructor say anything? Could there have been some mechanical malfunction that led them to misjudge their elevation? The ATC was reportedly doing the work of two people at the time of the crash but I don't know of any specific mistakes there. The commercial flight is probably the most blameless of the three.
A question for the bureaucracy like Mike said a few days ago is why are they doing training flights in this stressful and over-crowded corridor?
Now that you mention it, I’m not sure Lobach was piloting the helicopter at the time or not. It was being reported that way initially but now she’s reported as being one of the 3 person crew. I don’t like that it’s taking a WEEK to identify which of the two pilots were flying the damn thing. It’s one of two people!
amazing all the crap coming out with just an audit of USAID--40 billion dollars with half being "overhead" the other half going to a lot of rediculous concepts--sesame street in iran, transexual this that and the other studyies that make no sense
throw in no accountability with ukraine about half that money is accounted for
I think 1/3 of agencies listed in the federal register are defunct
another fun fact An analysis of cellphone use during the first nine months of 2023 found an average of just eight people a day worked in the Department of Energy’s 1.8 million square foot headquarters on Independence Avenue.
When its all said and done what trump and musk are uncovering may very well get that trillion or two DOGE thought they could save Hopefully a few indictments along with it--The last admminstration was up to their asses in spending middle class american taxes on thrmselves and their cronies
nothing better then seeing how things have ran the last 4 years
It goes back way more than 4 years. The problem is that it’s gone on for decades without any reckoning. My whole life I’ve heard stories about ridiculous spending like $8MM to study the mating habits of the dung beatle or whatever. Everyone laughed it off and said “that’s so stupid” and then nothing was ever done.
Now people are saying “that’s so stupid and we’re gonna put a stop to it”. Or at least give it their best effort, shine a light on this craziness, and make people go on record who support it.
If this were an election year you could have made good ads from just yesterday alone with Leavitt detailing how U.S. taxpayer money is going to Somolia and Columbia to produce transgender musicals, then cut to Raskin crying about it being cut.
Finally getting back to this. DSL, you posted this in response to a post I made about it's too early to tell what kind of outcome that Trump's tariffs will have:
For the record, almost all the stuff I post criticizing Trump on tariffs comes from traditional conservatives or libertarians. Dominic Pino at National Review and Scott Lincicome at the Cato Institute are two of the big ones.
I went on to say, (paraphrased) don't let that reality crowd out the alternate realities that both sides of the political spectrum will try to create. It's nice that you provided links to articles that were written by "conservatives" that painted Trump's tariff threats to Mexico and Canada, and their subsequent suspensions, as meaningless. That's, the writers argue, because Trump really didn't gain anything in terms of immigration and drugs that the Biden administration had already secured. Devil's in the details. I suspect there's more to whatever kinds of commitments Mexico's and Canada's leadership might have agreed to with Biden. For example, were the agreements actually implemented on the ground in both countries? TBH, I don't know
My point is that I'm disappointed in how quick to judge a difficult to predict outcome within the first 96h of Trump's tariff actions is predicted with certainty, more heavily (IMO) by Trump's detractors, the left among them, than on his supporters......at least that's the way it seems to be going to me. The better and more intellectually honest approach is to wait this out until the dust settles. Actually, that might be a while as questions surrounding the effectiveness, and by what measures that effectiveness is judged, of Trump's tariff actions during his first term is still widely debated among politicians and economists.
Finally, quoting conservative sources doesn't relieve you of the albatross around your neck you wear because of your liberal views and politics displayed in this forum.
Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.
Now that you mention it, I’m not sure Lobach was piloting the helicopter at the time or not. It was being reported that way initially but now she’s reported as being one of the 3 person crew. I don’t like that it’s taking a WEEK to identify which of the two pilots were flying the damn thing. It’s one of two people!
I won't speculate on why it took so long to identify who was flying the aircraft. I'll leave it at that I understand given the typical first response to "accidents" of all types is a search for the guilty. That in itself has all kinds of implications for the deceased crew and their families.
The Pilot in Command (PIC) of a helo fly's in the right seat (different from fixed wing where the PIC is sitting in the left seat). I'm presuming that is where Lobach was sitting. All circumstances point to that. I can't speak for how the PIC is designated on the flight schedule of an Army Blackhawk squadron. The allegation that this was a checkride of some sort muddles the question a bit. In my experience a pilot administering a check ride to another pilot does not become the PIC. If that rule applies to the incident aircraft and crew, Loback was in the right seat and was the PIC (she likely signed in maintenance control for the aircraft in that capacity before launch) and Eaves, the check pilot, was in the left seat. After an aircraft accident, military or civilian, all pertinent training and maintenance records of the incident aircraft are quickly gathered and sealed
It would not have been unusual for Eaves to be working the radios in his capacity as check pilot. I don't think Lobach was being tested on her abilities to navigate an airport traffic area and simultaneously talk on the radios. More likely she was being tested on her general flying skills and knowledge of aircraft systems. Eaves would have been backing her up as a co-pilot working the radios and other electronic equipment in the cockpit.
Finally, the Blackhawks transponder, an electronic device in every FAA certified aircraft, would have been on and transmitting flight data, including airspeed and altitude, to ground control radars and displayed on them for controllers to see. It is entirely possible that the Blackhawk's transponder was sending the wrong altitude information. Less likely is that the controllers radar screen was displaying altitude inaccurately. That will come out in the investigation as the Transponder and the controller's radar will be fully checked out in two investigations - the FAA's (NTSB) and the Army's
Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.
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