Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[Da Geezer]

fwiw, the Border Patrol union (no fans of Biden and who endorsed Trump in 2020) just came out in favor of the Border bill and said it's better than the status quo.

Lots more money to pay record-keepers processing 5,000 illegals daily. Unions are unions.

[Dr. Strangelove]

That is not true, Jeff. If Biden wants success on the border in an election year, all he has to do is to institute Trump's border policies that he overturned by EXECUTIVE ORDER. This could be solved by Biden alone.

What this is is the Dems taking in so many illegal Democrats that they will be able to establish a one-party state when (not if) they give citizenship to all the illegals. Why does anyone here want a one-party state?

This isn't true. Most of and nearly all of Trump's executive orders regarding the border got overturned in court. As Lankford has pointed out, there were thousands crossing daily into the US illegally in 2019, despite historical revisionism claiming Trump fully secured the border through executive fiat. Trump was constantly trying to cut a deal with Dems on immigration because they all knew he couldn't reform the entire system under his own authority. He had a deal, then broke his own word because rightwing trash media scared him off.

You even draw attention to the House GOP's competing bill, HR-2. Why would they even need to pass that if Biden can fix everything himself?

[Dr. Strangelove]

The very-Republican WSJ editorial board says pass the bill

https://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-border-security-bill-james-lankford-republicans-immigration-biden-border-patrol-asylum-bc2f9543

[CGVT]

The House has already passed its border plan; HR 2. This Senate abomination just turns an invasion into a legal matter of taking "only" 5,000 illegal Democrats daily.

Jesus man, quit reading a watching that right wing propaganda bullshit and taking those lying fucking republicans at their word

• The Senate’s immigration bill gives the executive branch emergency authority to bar most migrants from seeking asylum if unauthorized immigration at the border reaches an average of 5,000 encounters a day during seven consecutive days.
• That does not mean that 5,000 people are allowed to illegally enter the U.S.
• Encounters track the number of times immigration officials stop people trying to enter the U.S., not the number of people who are released into the country.

[Dr. Strangelove]

[iam416]

Remain in Mexico. Full Stop. The alternative to detention stuff is a garbage alternative.

The bill, of course, depends on The Chairman to enforce it. And we know this border situation is exactly what the Chairman wants.

[iam416]

Whatever one thinks of the border -- whether it's good or bad -- the situation is entirely....ENTIRELY....of The Chairman's making. He created this. It's not even remotely close to what the numbers were under DJT. Because DJT actually discouraged illegal immigration and bullshit asylum claims. ENTIRELY. THE CHAIRMAN'S. MAKING.

The open borders Ds think that good. The Rs think that's bad. But there's no pawning this off on DJT. This situation is exactly what the Ds wanted and what they got. Because, more or less, they think it's good. Until the virtual-signaling fucktwats got their sanctuary city shit packed.

And no -- I haven't forgot The Chairman's ludicrous lie -- propped up by the Media -- that border partrol agents on horseback were whipping migrants. That is where is true allegiance is -- against border patrol; for open borders. Fuck him.

Or the ludicrous media blackout that no one in The Media cared about. Democracy dies in darkness! Fuck him.

Or the ludicrous "KIDS IN CAGES!!!!" bullshit from the fucking Ds when Obama and The Chairman do the same fucking thing.

[iam416]

Anyway -- it would, IMO, be good for the House Rs to modify the bill to add Remain in Mexico and eliminate the stupid trigger shit -- give The Chairman the authority to shut the border down -- to use their phrase -- NOW. And when he doesn't -- because he's an ineffectual pussy -- it's completely on him. It's already completely on him, but this would add to it.

That said, I rather doubt the House Rs will do anything smart. It would certainly be against the run of play.

[Mike]

It's the absolute dumbest debate in the history of debates. We've added a migrant population equal to Chicago and Los Angeles (proper) combined since Biden has been in office. There is no way to spin that as a positive for the United States. Period. We don't need more legislation either just DO YOUR DAMN JOB.

[Mike]

Jesus man, quit reading a watching that right wing propaganda bullshit and taking those lying fucking republicans at their word

• The Senate’s immigration bill gives the executive branch emergency authority to bar most migrants from seeking asylum if unauthorized immigration at the border reaches an average of 5,000 encounters a day during seven consecutive days.
• That does not mean that 5,000 people are allowed to illegally enter the U.S.
• Encounters track the number of times immigration officials stop people trying to enter the U.S., not the number of people who are released into the country.

Yes, 5,000 encounters. That doesn't take into account how many people got through UNENCOUNTERED. And what exactly happens to those who are encountered at the border? Are they being turned away or allowed into the country with a court date years from now? Why not set the trigger at say... 5 encounters instead? Or 1. or ZERO?

[klondike]

It looks like immigrant drunks can kill children in fiery crashes and not have to worry about consequences. Thanks to the Chairman. He says the idea of taking parents away from their families supercedes killing American citizens in their iron ramming machines 🤔

[Dr. Strangelove]

Meanwhile the vote to impeach Mayorkas is supposed to be today and it's sounding like it could be in trouble...

[Mike]

That's too bad. He needs to be thrown out on his ass.

[Dr. Strangelove]

DC Circuit rules Trump is NOT immune from prosecution. Whatever immunity protected him while President is gone today. Unanimous decision.

Judgment also indicates that if he wants the District case to continue to be stayed he has to appeal to the Supreme Court by Monday. Asking for an en banc review won't halt the lower court case until the review is possibly granted (though more likely to be denied IMO -- he's got to take this upwards instead).

[Dr. Strangelove]

That's too bad. He needs to be thrown out on his ass.

At least 2 Republicans are straight up Nos on the vote. And apparently several other expressed misgivings behind closed doors that this will significantly lower the bar for impeachment in the future.

If Politico reporters are correct 2 is the max number of no votes they can afford.