Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[Dr. Strangelove]

Not adapting Hannibal's "whites only" dream society = liberals hate white people

[iam416]

It’s still OK to discriminate against Whites and treat them like second class citizens. It’s just that they didn’t take into account that Asians wouldn’t appreciate being lumped in with us. The lawsuit still only happened because Asians were discriminated against. Liberals still despise the concept of Whites having civil rights.

and for that matter, most Conservatives won’t acknowledge the concept either although they don’t possess the outright antipathy towards Whites that Liberals have.

Well, as point of fact and matter of record -- Asians were, BY FAR, the most discriminated group. The affirmative action program at Harvard had, at most, a modest impact on white applicants. It absolutely, 100% discriminated against Asian applicants. So, they had, by far, the best cause of action.

If it was white kids getting ripped like that then the lawsuit would have still been filed and still won.

But those Asians, man -- those motherfuckerz can test....

[THE_WIZARD_]

There's a man who lives a life of danger
He travels in our midst, but he's a stranger
Los Alamos beware
It's not the Russian bear
Odds are he was sent from Mainland China

Now they have technologies to start with
Things that we would never dare to part with
He grabbed our warhead tricks
With secret spy chopsticks
Then he sent them back to Mainland China

Secret Asian Man
Secret Asian Man
A Chinese Austin Powers
On a mission from Chairman Mao

Unless every American does his part
They'll steal our Cheetos, Birkenstocks and Wal-Marts
And it won't be very long
'Till the pirate version of this song
Tops the radio charts in Mainland China

[Da Geezer]

Well, as point of fact and matter of record -- Asians were, BY FAR, the most discriminated group. The affirmative action program at Harvard had, at most, a modest impact on white applicants. It absolutely, 100% discriminated against Asian applicants. So, they had, by far, the best cause of action.

If it was white kids getting ripped like that then the lawsuit would have still been filed and still won.

But those Asians, man -- those motherfuckerz can test....

And they perform well in the general economy. Asians are much more than test-takers.

All this affirmative-action nonsense has its basis in the simple scientific fact that blacks have a median IQ that is 1.5 standard deviations lower than whites. No one is allowed to say that, but it is true, and predictive of future accomplishments.

I predict the colleges will simply ban the usage of the SAT and ACT and make entry dependent on subjective "measures".

[Hannibal]

Well, as point of fact and matter of record -- Asians were, BY FAR, the most discriminated group. The affirmative action program at Harvard had, at most, a modest impact on white applicants. It absolutely, 100% discriminated against Asian applicants. So, they had, by far, the best cause of action.

If it was white kids getting ripped like that then the lawsuit would have still been filed and still won.

But those Asians, man -- those motherfuckerz can test....

That might be the case for Harvard specifically but affirmative action as a whole is specifically aimed at reducing White representation. They just fucked up in the execution there.

[Whitley]

And they perform well in the general economy. Asians are much more than test-takers.

All this affirmative-action nonsense has its basis in the simple scientific fact that blacks have a median IQ that is 1.5 standard deviations lower than whites. No one is allowed to say that, but it is true, and predictive of future accomplishments.

I predict the colleges will simply ban the usage of the SAT and ACT and make entry dependent on subjective "measures".

So your argument, let me be totally sure, is that on the MACRO level blacks (your term) are naturally dumber than whites?

[lineygoblue]

So your argument, let me be totally sure, is that on the MACRO level blacks (your term) are naturally dumber than whites?

Only if they choose to be.

Many 'blacks' have chosen to stop being victims/slaves and become great in all areas of life.

[Hannibal]

And they perform well in the general economy. Asians are much more than test-takers.

All this affirmative-action nonsense has its basis in the simple scientific fact that blacks have a median IQ that is 1.5 standard deviations lower than whites. No one is allowed to say that, but it is true, and predictive of future accomplishments.

All true. And East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are about a standard deviation higher than the average, which goes a long way towards explaining their proportional overrepresentation in fields that require a high IQ to participate in. IQ is probably the most taboo subject in the history of science despite showing huge levels of repeatability and a high level of correlation with success in the economy and other measures like high tech inventions, healthy civilizations, etc

[Hannibal]

So your argument, let me be totally sure, is that on the MACRO level blacks (your term) are naturally dumber than whites?

The data shows overwhelmingly and repeatedly that, on average, Blacks test lower than Whites and this is a trend that holds even very strongly even when economics are removed from the picture entirely. This includes performances on standardized tests like the ACT and the SAT too. Those test scores correlate strongly with income within race, but dirt poor Whites score about the same as affluent Blacks.

The IQ trend is especially drastic when you compare the overall results for sub-Saharan Africa with the world average. Although the data on sub-Saharan Africa is admittedly shaky.

Note that the same data also says that Whites are naturally dumber than Ashkenazi Jews, Chinese, and Japanese, so this isn't a "White Supremacy" thing.

Geezer is right in that you are absolutely not allowed to talk about this. It's haram to the same extent as Evolution was when it was first proposed, (and still is to some people), despite being a model that explains the diversity of life on Earth better than anything that came before it. In a sane society you would be allowed to talk about IQ as an alternative explanation to "systemic racism" as the cause of literally every racial disparity in society. But then again, in a sane society, women wouldn't be referred to as "birthing persons".

[Hannibal]

If it was white kids getting ripped like that then the lawsuit would have still been filed...
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You are wrong about this,

[iam416]

No, I’m not. At all. Quit nailing yourself to the fucking cross. It was an unapologetic, spectacularly good ruling and you’re still finding ways to be a bitch about it.

[AlabamAlum]

You dumbasses need a heaping cup of comity.

[Hannibal]

No, I’m not. At all. Quit nailing yourself to the fucking cross. It was an unapologetic, spectacularly good ruling and you’re still finding ways to be a bitch about it.

I'm not bitching about the ruling. I am saying that...

1. The lawsuit sidestepped the even more important issue of whether Whites deserve equal protection under the law, because it was brought on behalf of Asians, even though Whites are discriminated against routinely in multiple areas of society and are legally second-class citizens at this point. Whites do not have equal protection under the law, period. Corporate DEI initiatives, for instance, do not affect Asians negatively and are just as insidious as the affirmative action practiced by the university system. Your statement that a lawsuit would be brought on behalf of Whites under the exact same conditions is patently ridiculous -- were that assumption true, the court system would be absolutely flooded with lawsuits of that nature by now. But they aren't, because nobody would take them seriously unless they were filed on behalf of a non-White minority, which is precisely what happened here.

Unless you think that Harvard vis-a-vis Asians is literally the worst example of discrimination in the country -- something that I find to be highly unlikely.

There is a core issue that remains unaddressed and that is whether Whites are allowed to have any degree of self-interest. Liberals like CGVT and DSL have made it very clear that they think that the answer should be "no", and their opinion is the prevailing one in society right now.

2. AA will not stop. It may take a temporary step back but universities will either ignore the ruling completely or further eliminate objective admissions criteria. Medical schools, for instance, are going to increasingly drop the MCAT as an entrance requirement.

[iam416]

1. It didn’t sidestep anything. It dealt squarely and forcefully with the issues in front of it. And it was great. They side-stepped nothing. At all. That’s flat fucking wrong.

2. Universities will try but the Court laid down the gauntlet. They can use socioeconomic status or top 10 in HS or something like that.

[Hannibal]

1. It didn’t sidestep anything. It dealt squarely and forcefully with the issues in front of it. And it was great. They side-stepped nothing. At all. That’s flat fucking wrong.

Talent -- the anti-AA argument was given life because hurts Asians (AA hurts Whites too. It's just that nobody gives a shit). As always, the argument about something that negatively affects Whites on a widespread basis was made from the point of view of whether it is actually good for minority group "X" or "Y, and not whether it was unfair to Whites, because Whites are not allowed to have any self interest in Western society. From now on, pay attention to debates about discrimination and notice how many of them ever acknowledge the concept of something being unfair for Whites. It's virtually none of them (e.g. George W's idiotic line about "the soft bigotry of low expectations").

If Harvard had structured their admissions to only discriminate against Whites, there would not have been a lawsuit, period.