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And when the Euros bitch about America, just take a look at who ISN'T. Not a lot of ex-Warsaw Pact folks are bitching and not a lot of Dutch or Belgians, either. Go to Belgium for the beers, but make sure you take some time to go to Bastogne before you head home.
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The former Warsaw pact countries and the former USSR republics are pretty staunchly nationalist and anti-Communist for a reason.Comment
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https://thenationalpulse.com/news/el...hes-skyrocket/
Google Searches For ‘Election Fraud Punishment,’ ‘Jail’ Skyrocketed Ahead Of The Election
The four terms – “election fraud punishment,” “election fraud jail,” “election fraud prison,” and “how to sell ballot” – surged in popularity according to data analysis done by Google trends.
For example, a month prior to the election, the phrase “how to sell ballot” rose in popularity, hovering around 50% and hit peak popularity on October 30th.
“Election fraud jail” also spiked in popularity a few days prior to the election, as did the other terms pertaining to inquiries about punishments for conducting “election fraud.”
Google trends also reveals how these search terms were considerably more prevalent in specific areas of the country – especially swing states like Pennsylvania and Arizona.
For example, “election fraud punishment” was most popular in Arizona and Pennsylvania and “election fraud jail” prevailed in Arizona and Texas.
What’s more, “how to sell ballot” was most popular in California, followed by Arizona and Pennsylvania. “Election fraud prison” was most popular in Arizona and Pennsylvania.Comment
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I seent 'em bringin' 'em in by the truckload. Honest! I seent it.
123490920_870522256816327_552293157273529784_n.jpgI feel like I am watching the destruction of our democracy while my neighbors and friends cheer it onComment
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If the Good Lord ever gave me the chance to go to Europe, I'd want to follow the path that the 101st Airborne took thru Europe into Germany. Start at Normandy, and definitely include Bastogne.Go to Belgium for the beers, but make sure you take some time to go to Bastogne before you head home.
As are most of the Cuban refugees and their relatives in South Florida.The former Warsaw pact countries and the former USSR republics are pretty staunchly nationalist and anti-Communist for a reason.
"What you're doing, speaks so loudly, that I can't hear what you are saying"Comment
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You and me both. That's the top of my bucket list. As an 82nd guy, I need Ste-Mere-Eglise in there somewhere but the "Band of Brothers" tour would be amazing.Originally posted by lineygoblue View PostComment
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Trump people claimed to have a list of 3,000+ people who had illegally voted in Nevada from out of state. Turns out at least hundreds of them were in the military and were 100% legal. No one had bothered to check
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Frivolous as it may seem, Mr. Trump is allowed to make all the legal challenges he wishes to make. Nobody denied Algore his day in court when he challenged the results in Florida and attempted to steal the presidency away from GWB.Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
I don't believe Mr. Trump will prevail, but its his money, and we still have a Constitution that says he can do that."What you're doing, speaks so loudly, that I can't hear what you are saying"Comment
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I've already said a couple times I welcome every legal challenge. Mr. Trump is free to sue all he wants. Going on Laura Ingraham, hiding in the dark, is for chickenshits. Make your accusations in court or they're effectively meaningless.Originally posted by lineygoblue View Post
EDIT: LOLOLOL at "it's his money". He's not spending a dime on any of this. It's his gullible voters' money.Comment
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Yes Trump and the American people should put full trust into the same political machine that fooled the FISA Court Judge with a fake
dossier and led to a 4 year wild goose chase including impeachement proceedings. Yes let's trust those people.Shut the fuck up Donny!Comment
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Aaron Blake
November 11, 2020 at 10:53 a.m. CST
By now, it’s well-established that most of the arguments put forward by President Trump’s reelection campaign in its challenge of the results of the 2020 election are baseless and highly speculative. Even Trump allies, as The Washington Post reported late Tuesday, acknowledge the apparent futility of the effort. Others have reasoned that there’s no harm in going through the motions, with one anonymous GOP official asking, “What’s the downside for humoring him” for a little while?
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But as scenes in courtrooms nationwide in recent days have shown, there is indeed a downside for those tasked with pursuing these claims. Repeatedly now, they have been rebuked by judges for how thin their arguments have been.
The most famous scene came in Pennsylvania, where a Trump lawyer strained to avoid acknowledging that their people were, in fact, allowed to observe the vote-counting process in Philadelphia:At the city’s federal courthouse on Thursday evening, attorneys for Trump asked a judge to issue an emergency order to stop the count, alleging that all Republican observers had been barred.
Under sharp questioning from Judge Paul S. Diamond, however, they conceded that Trump in fact had “a nonzero number of people in the room,” leaving Diamond audibly exasperated.
“I’m sorry, then what’s your problem?” asked Diamond, who was appointed to the federal bench by President George W. Bush. Denying Trump’s request, Diamond struck a deal for 60 observers from each party to be allowed inside.
At one point on Friday afternoon, 12 Republican observers and five Democrats were watching the count, according to a ballot counter who was working.
After that “nonzero” answer, Diamond pressed the Trump campaign lawyer to be more explicit — and he suggestively invoked their standing with the bar: “I’m asking you as a member of the bar of this court: Are people representing the plaintiffs in the room?” The lawyer responded more directly: “Yes.” By the end of the hearing, Diamond invoked his right to make sure lawyers in his courtroom acted in good faith.
Another Trump lawyer, Jonathan S. Goldstein, was also grilled by a Pennsylvania judge this week. Under questioning, he acknowledged that, contrary to Trump’s claims about rampant voter fraud, he wasn’t alleging fraud in the 592 ballots he sought to disqualify in Montgomery County, Pa.
Again, Trump’s lawyer strained to avoid directly answering the question but was ultimately forced to acknowledge it:THE COURT: In your petition, which is right before me — and I read it several times — you don’t claim that any electors or the Board of the County were guilty of fraud, correct? That’s correct?
GOLDSTEIN: Your Honor, accusing people of fraud is a pretty big step. And it is rare that I call somebody a liar, and I am not calling the Board of the [Democratic National Committee] or anybody else involved in this a liar. Everybody is coming to this with good faith. The DNC is coming with good faith. We’re all just trying to get an election done. We think these were a mistake, but we think they are a fatal mistake, and these ballots ought not be counted.
THE COURT: I understand. I am asking you a specific question, and I am looking for a specific answer. Are you claiming that there is any fraud in connection with these 592 disputed ballots?
GOLDSTEIN: To my knowledge at present, no.
THE COURT: Are you claiming that there is any undue or improper influence upon the elector with respect to these 592 ballots?
GOLDSTEIN: To my knowledge at present, no.
The Trump campaign also sought to temporarily stop counting some ballots in Detroit. It cited a GOP poll watcher who had said she had been told by an unidentified person that late mail ballots were being predated to before Election Day, so they would be considered valid.
The judge repeatedly asserted this was hearsay, but Trump campaign lawyer Thor Hearne sought to argue that it wasn’t — despite it having been someone who said they heard about something they weren’t personally involved in. He pointed to a vague note the poll watcher produced — which said “entered receive date as 11/2/20 on 11/4/20” — as evidence:STEPHENS: So I want to make sure I understand you. The affiant is not the person who had knowledge of this. Is that correct?
HEARNE: The affiant had direct firsthand knowledge of the communication with the elections inspector and the document they provided them.
STEPHENS: Okay, which is generally known as hearsay, right?
HEARNE: I would not think that’s hearsay, Your Honor. That’s firsthand personal knowledge by the affiant of what she physically observed. And we included an exhibit which is a physical copy of the note that she was provided.
The two later returned to the point, after Stephens reviewed the note, and Stephens echoed Judge Diamond’s exasperation:STEPHENS: I’m still trying to understand why this isn’t hearsay.
HEARNE: Well, it’s, it, I –
STEPHENS: I absolutely understand what the affiant says she heard someone say to her. But the truth of the matter … that you’re going for was that there was an illegal act occurring. Because other than that I don’t know what its relevancy is.
HEARNE: Right. I would say, Your Honor, in terms of the hearsay point, this is a firsthand factual statement made by Ms. Connarn, and she has made that statement based on her own firsthand physical evidence and knowledge --
STEPHENS: “I heard somebody else say something.” Tell me why that’s not hearsay. Come on, now.
HEARNE: Well it’s a firsthand statement of her physical –
STEPHENS: It’s an out-of-court statement offered where the truth of the matter is asserted, right?
In a later written decision, Stephens slammed the argument as “inadmissible hearsay within hearsay.” And after the campaign appealed, a Michigan appeals court rebuked it Monday for not including required documentation.
“I regret to inform you that your submission is defective,” the court wrote said, outlining the missing attachments.
Another of the Trump team’s claims crumbled rather quickly in Georgia.
In Chatham County, as in Michigan, the Trump campaign cited supposed evidence that 53 late ballots may have been predated so they could be counted. Except two witnesses they called acknowledged under oath that they didn’t know whether the ballots were received after the deadline. And two others for the local board of elections testified that they were, in fact, received on time.
Judge James Bass dismissed the case in a one-sentence, eight-word ruling, saying, “I’m denying the request and dismissing the petition” and abruptly adjourned the hearing. He then elaborated in a written opinion, saying that “the Court finds that there is no evidence that the ballots referenced in the petition were received after 7:00 p.m. on election day, thereby making those ballots invalid. Additionally, there is no evidence that the Chatham County Board of Elections or the Chatham County Board of Registrars has failed to comply with the law.”
The common thread running through all of these is that Trump’s lawyers are regularly offering a significantly more watered-down version of Trump’s claims about rampant voter fraud — because they, unlike Trump, have to substantiate their claims. And as these exchanges show, it’s a rather thankless task that can quickly land them on a judge’s bad side.
I feel like I am watching the destruction of our democracy while my neighbors and friends cheer it onComment
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Sooooo.... basically Trump's handlers are treating him the same way most level-headed Dems have treated Hillary ...
Got it."What you're doing, speaks so loudly, that I can't hear what you are saying"Comment
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There is one defense of what is being characterized by the media as a clown show and that it is a candidate in an election has the right to challenge the outcome under specific circumstances that vary by state. The difficulty for the public in understanding this process is that it can be undertaken based on different claims - again what a state allows varies. It can be confusing.
I think it is unfortunate that the media is uniformly depicting a completely legal process as unworthy. and unwarranted. The net result is fear of whatever the media wants to claim is a scary outcome in this election. Journalists are conjuring up all sorts of crisis. It's not any different than what the media has done with the pandemic. I guess we should expect it. I'm tired of it. It inflames the sides of an already seriously divided country ...... Xi and Vlad are enjoying the show and the popcorn.Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. JH chased Saban from Alabama and caused Day, at the point of the OSU AD's gun, to make major changes to his staff just to beat Michigan. Love it. It's Moore!!!! timeComment
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It's actually more of a money-grubbing scam than I realized. Down in the fine print, all donations under $8,000 go into Trump's new PAC or to the RNC. None of it goes directly to the "legal defense fund".
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