Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[Mike]

I would also add she was not killed in bed. She was in the hallway, likely to see what the hell was going on (completely understandable). But the story is told like they came in and hunted her. Not true at all. I don't really know about her involvement with her ex-boyfriends drug game but there is enough known about the serving of the warrant and shootout that renders the whole narrative a bunch of nonsense.

EDIT: I see that you added this to your previous post.

[Dr. Strangelove]

From what I can tell Walker admitted hearing someone knocking at the door, NOT an announcement of "Police". He claims he asked "who is it" three times and there was only loud knocking, then someone started busting the door in. If it's accurate that he apparently talked as if his girlfriend had been shot by strangers on the 911 call, then that's pretty fast acting on his part or he really didn't know they were cops.

It's hard for me to imagine that the cops even now still don't have conclusive evidence of what type of bullet hit Mattingly and if they knew it came from Walker's gun, they would say so on the record and he wouldn't be walking around a free man right now.

[AlabamAlum]

I don’t have a dog in the Breonna case. Not really been something I’ve researched.

But a few of my opinions:

-If someone yells “police” or knocks in the middle of the night and immediately starts breaking the door down it’s the same thing as a “no knock”. The likelihood that someone awakens to a commotion and doesn’t know that it’s police seems very likely. I wouldn’t know, I’m sure. And I am also sure that I would start shooting at whomever was kicking my door in. I don’t find “no knocks” or a quick “police, open up” before a battering ram is used in the middle of the night a justified police tactic unless a hostage’s life is in danger. But they had the warrant so nothing there to hang your hat on.

-If they yelled police, wouldn’t there body cams have caught that? If so, that matter should be settled. If their cameras were turned off, then they’re idiots.

-From what I do know, it seems likely that the police at the scene should be found innocent unless there was someone blindly shooting through a window as DSL suggested. The warrant was issued and there was no policy against how it was executed at the time.

[Mike]

We'll never know if Walker heard them announce themselves. And from a legal standpoint, I'm not sure if it matters if he hit the guy with the bullet he fired or not. It's either justified to use deadly force or it isn't. In a situation that he genuinely did NOT hear the police announce themselves I could defend his action. But that is immaterial to whether the officers were justified in their use of force. I'm not an expert in this area but the Attorney General of Kentucky is. I eagerly await his decision.

[Mike]

-If they yelled police, wouldn’t there body cams have caught that? If so, that matter should be settled. If their cameras were turned off, then they’re idiots.

There is no body cam footage that anyone is aware of. From what I've heard is they did not wear any. Maybe because they were in plain clothes, I don't know...

[Dr. Strangelove]

I don’t have a dog in the Breonna case. Not really been something I’ve researched.

But a few of my opinions:

-If someone yells “police” or knocks in the middle of the night and immediately starts breaking the door down it’s the same thing as a “no knock”. The likelihood that someone awakens to a commotion and doesn’t know that it’s police seems very likely. I wouldn’t know, I’m sure. And I am also sure that I would start shooting at whomever was kicking my door in. I don’t find “no knocks” or a quick “police, open up” before a battering ram is used in the middle of the night a justified police tactic unless a hostage’s life is in danger. But they had the warrant so nothing there to hang your hat on.

-If they yelled police, wouldn’t there body cams have caught that? If so, that matter should be settled. If their cameras were turned off, then they’re idiots.

-From what I do know, it seems likely that the police at the scene should be found innocent unless there was someone blindly shooting through a window as DSL suggested. The warrant was issued and there was no policy against how it was executed at the time.

Appears to be conflicting info about body cams. I've seen it explained that since they were plainclothes detectives, they don't wear body cams. But then I saw in one article (can't remember which) that claimed there's footage of at least one or two of the detectives wearing one and they were turned off. Don't know which is true.

[AlabamAlum]

There is no body cam footage that anyone is aware of. From what I've heard is they did not wear any. Maybe because they were in plain clothes, I don't know...

Moronic. Just no sense in it. No cameras, wearing street clothes, and busting down a door in the middle of the night. They would 100% get shot at at my house.

Bah.

[Hannibal]

Here's what the plainclothes officers look like.

Not much of a mystery about who they are. In the dark with lights shining in your face, you probably can't see what this guy is wearing, so maybe it's not material. But if this guy bursts through your door and you can see him, it's pretty obvious what he does for a living.

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[AlabamAlum]

Should be a camera on the shoulder.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Were they wearing all that when the raid actually took place?

if so, the first guy is wearing a body cam on his shoulder and the second is at least wearing the mount, according to these articles. So they were turned off for some reason.

https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/lmpd-p...491f002dc.html

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9...-a-body-camera

[Hannibal]

Perhaps. There's room for serious inquiry here. But not from people who have their bricks in hand, just waiting for the bad news to come down so that they can throw it through the nearest window, and not solely based on the word of her boyfriend in the drug trade, a profession that is a magnet for soulless violent psychopaths.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Anyways...the first debate is almost here! Only one week! Woo!

Based on expectations set here, if Biden doesn't shit his pants and repeatedly call Chris Wallace "Edward Murrow", we should all be impressed and amazed.

[Mike]

I bet there will be a big cereal bowl full of greenies in the dressing room.

[Hannibal]

This is the best Kyle Rittenhouse video that I have seen. Tons of footage that is new to me and all of the camera angles. Not only was Kyle Rittenhouse getting rushed by a violent bloodthirsty good when he fired in self defense, but an unidentified Antifa goon actually fired the first shot before that. That was before about a half dozen more pieces of human garbage mobbed him and attempted to kill him in the street. Tragically, the piece of human garbage (Kyle Grosskreutz) who fake surrendered before trying to kill him is still alive. I can't wait until the Kyle Rittenhouse media revenge tour starts. He has employed Nick Sandmann's lawyer.

Kyle Rittenhouse is so innocent and it is so obvious, it's mind boggling. If Hollywood wanted to script a horrifically unfair prosecution and media narrative, they literally could not come up with something more outlandish than this.

[crashcourse]

throw in the fact he had every right to be there and be armed. theres footage of him trying to put out fires and scrubbing graffiti off the wall of his high school.

I think trump held ACB as his nominee for just this moment--knowng ginsberg was likely the high on the list for dead pool candidates you hold her in reserve and get kavanugh through the process

but she's gonna be brutalized over her faith they got nothing else

far as roe versus wade whether it was wrong o not in the original decision most agree the first 4 mos it should be choice. after that you can't abort whether its a little wizard or not