Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[iam416]

LMAO at Biden. That can’t be real.

To reiterate, the police killed 41 unarmed people in 2019. 41.

[AlabamAlum]

You’re correct re appeasement vs force. But I’m correct re where this thing is. I’m not shocked by Philly. Or NYC. They’ve capitulated to lawlessness.

Yeah. Disheartening. The easy thing is to say, “well let it burn.” But you just can’t.

[AlabamAlum]

LMAO at Biden. That can’t be real.

To reiterate, the police killed 41 unarmed people in 2019. 41.

The audio isn’t great, but wait for it (1:05 mark):

https://youtu.be/4a7NaC8i--Q

”shoot an unarmed person in the leg, not in the heart.”

[iam416]

Wow. I doubt that makes it into his big speech tomorrow.

In any event, you’re right — government can’t abdicate its fundamental duty to protect, but here we are.

[Hannibal]

Tucker Carlson -- articulate and on point as always, putting into words perfectly the attitudes of the silent (and hopefully still) majority.

[Jeff Buchanan]

A curfew from 9pm to 6am has been imposed in the tri-county region of S. FL. It held last night as so far, there's been no reports of protesters flaunting the order or any looting in Fort Lauderdale, Boca, West Palm Miami or any of the other smaller cities within S FL. The curfew order was issued under the tri-county commissioners emergency authority attendant to COIVD. Desantis actived the FL NG Sunday afternoon and there were armed soldiers on Los Olas in Fort Lauderdale in Humvees Sunday night and into Monday morning. Nice show of force and, IMO, necessary and appropriate.

It was reported yesterday that retailers in two large malls near me closed up at 2pm yesterday after information obtained by law enforcement indicated protesters were going to enter these malls. Troops and police were there - nobody came.

Although Trump simply can't get his messaging right and whoever is dreaming up his PR stunts is an imbecile he is fundamentally correct in advocating for restoration of civil order by law enforcement and the military - only in the form of the state's NG though who by legal authority have that as a mission. The notion of invoking some kind of activation of the US military to enforce law and order because of armed insurrection is a stupid gesture. The US military is not a police force and attempts to make it one in several circumstances in the recent past have been correctly resisted.

The Floyd killing by police is wrong. No mistaking that but the officer who was responsible for Floyd's death will face justice the way it is to be administered in this country. The protesting will ebb; here in S FL, the violence, rioting and looting, not widespread anyway, already looks to have ended because law enforcement and the FL NG have, so far, restored law and order.

It's going to be very difficult to mute the left's harangue about police brutality and oppression of people of color by whites even though, as has been clearly documented here and elsewhere where such truths are not drowned out, that allegations like this have no basis in the facts and evidence. I don't need to list them. The lawful undertaking of enforcement by police nation wide far outweighs the unlawful.

There are certainly incidents of unlawful conduct by police but we cannot allow the left's emerging narrative, not new but definitely louder, to unduly influence intellectual thought that forms the basis of policy when it comes to the civil order in or society. The risk of de-legitimizing police who have the role of enforcement of the law in civil society is extremely high right now. I feel confident that sensible people will reject those that are advocating for police to stand down both within and outside law enforcement organizations.

[Jeff Buchanan]

While I've tuned it out, my wife tunes in to ABC's GMA so, I hear it. The lead story was how "professional agitators" are believed to be largely behind the rioting and looting. Mug shots of some of these people arrested in NYC and LA in the last few days accompanied by their rap sheets demonstrates beyond any doubt that they are associated with various groups of anarchists; Several of them were shown to have law degrees and attended prestigious universities ...... as we discussed yesterday, to be inculcated with the crap that has become the left's anti-authority, anti-government rhetoric.

Fuck them..... and, for a change, decent messaging by the press. People need to hear this.

[Dr. Strangelove]

There's basically three groups: legitimate protesters, the "pros", and the looters. I don't think there's a huge overlap between the three and the pros are the smallest group but have the most influence after nightfall. The "pros" have all been labelled Antifa but they have two camps as well: those that want to pick fights with cops and/or rightwing counter-protesters and those that want to smash property. Some may actually care about the cause they're ostensibly there for but most aren't. They are general "overturn the system" rioters. Fighting for animal rights? Let's smash windows. Fighting to end police brutality? Let's smash windows. Protesting Wall Street bailouts? Let's smash windows. The looters are opportunists, almost pathetically so. I mean, everyone's probably seen the clip of the woman running down the street with a full cheesecake she stole from Cheesecake Factory. You risk multiple years in jail for that?

Need to get the Pros locked up to get things to stop. Most of the actual protesters don't want anything more than a disorderly conduct charge and most looters won't directly challenge a cop. It's just that the cops are too busy dealing with the Pros to effectively handle the looters (or have been given bad orders -- in NYC last night there were enormous groups of cops just standing around while a few blocks away looting was rampant).

[AlabamAlum]

There 800,000 cops in the US and in any sufficiently large group you will have murderers, rapists, pedophiles, racists, whatever. And make no mistake, the allure of a badge, gun, and some authority probably draws a higher percentage of assholes than the fire department does. But systemic racism?

George Floyd was murdered. Horribly. But the cop was fired, arrested, and charged with murder. The people who throw the “systemic racism” line out in regard to how this event played out confuse me. If the cop had kept his job and the DA had chuckled and said, “Hey, kneeling on Floyd’s throat for 9 minutes is fine, no charges.” then yeah. But how this played out? Come on.

[iam416]

DSL is correct except for the attempt to slip in white nationalists into this particular set of protests. The problem is the 3 are inseparable. You can't effectively deal with the motherfuckers without some collateral damage. And then that collateral damage goes viral and media continues bashing police and it never ends. Or, it only ends when there's no more supply to loot.

That's the situation. In this case, you actually need strong voices on the Left standing up and saying "no more." But their emphasis is on the largest group -- the folks exercising their Constitutional right to assembly and speech in an appropriate way. They want nothing to do with the other two groups that are total fucking trash. But the good guys have been co-opted by the bad guys.

[iam416]

There 800,000 cops in the US and in any sufficiently large group you will have murderers, rapists, pedophiles, racists, whatever. And make no mistake, the allure of a badge, gun, and some authority probably draws a higher percentage of assholes than the fire department does. But systemic racism?

George Floyd was murdered. Horribly. But the cop was fired, arrested, and charged with murder. The people who throw the “systemic racism” line out in regard to how this event played out confuse me. If the cop had kept his job and the DA had chuckled and said, “Hey, kneeling on Floyd’s throat for 9 minutes is fine, no charges.” then yeah. But how this played out? Come on.

Absolutely right. There IS justice for George Floyd.

And what's even more irksome to me is that if you point out fucking thugs looting or assaulting people then you get the response that "that's not all protestors, most protestors are peacable" and then try their rationale out on cops. LOL. It's unbelievable.

[iam416]

There are certainly incidents of unlawful conduct by police but we cannot allow the left's emerging narrative, not new but definitely louder, to unduly influence intellectual thought that forms the basis of policy when it comes to the civil order in or society. The risk of de-legitimizing police who have the role of enforcement of the law in civil society is extremely high right now. I feel confident that sensible people will reject those that are advocating for police to stand down both within and outside law enforcement organizations.

The end game, Bucahan, is reparations and socialism of some form -- at least a highly technocratic regulatory state. That's what this is all moving toward.

The key is the trojan horse -- and it's white privilege in the sense that "well, you don't have to worry about getting hassled or killed by the police." That's the current stage and that's why this is all so important to the left. Because once you accept "white privilege" the bait and swtich is coming and coming hard and it'll be -- "well, you wouldn't have never succeeded the way you did if you weren't white" and, the corrollary "black people can't succeed because of white racism." At that point, you can try to draw the line and try to argue that people largely have agency in their own lives, but you're done. Once you concede that your success is owed to your race then you've justified them taking your money to put to whatever end they want -- including giving money to people who you've subjugated.

That's the road we're one. You're seeing an identitarian/socialist marriage in language and education that will, they hope, produce policy. Unfortunately, I think they'll eventually win. Not right away -- this is an incremental, long-term fight -- but they're going to win.

[Dr. Strangelove]

There 800,000 cops in the US and in any sufficiently large group you will have murderers, rapists, pedophiles, racists, whatever. And make no mistake, the allure of a badge, gun, and some authority probably draws a higher percentage of assholes than the fire department does. But systemic racism?

George Floyd was murdered. Horribly. But the cop was fired, arrested, and charged with murder. The people who throw the “systemic racism” line out in regard to how this event played out confuse me. If the cop had kept his job and the DA had chuckled and said, “Hey, kneeling on Floyd’s throat for 9 minutes is fine, no charges.” then yeah. But how this played out? Come on.

Part of this is bad timing. All the covid stuff has hurt minorities more than whiter, wealthier neighborhoods. Both health-wise and economically. I believe I saw yesterday it's that half of all black adults are thought to be currently unemployed. And then you had three cases become prominent within a month: Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor in Louisville (who was killed months ago but didn't get much national notice until recently just like Arbery), and now George Floyd. Plus the Central Park lady.

I mean the murder of Botham Jean a couple years ago was as bad as any of these but it didn't spark wild, widespread riots.

[AlabamAlum]

Re: Breonna Taylor: First, I absolutely hate “no knock warrants”. If someone starts busting through my door in the middle of the night, I will shoot. That’s not even a consideration.

No-knocks, civil forfeiture, and imminent domain use to provide space for third-party retail places absolutely need to be addressed, ended.

Anyway, the FBI is looking into the Breonna case. And they have dropped charges against the boyfriend who shot at the cops. So who knows. I’m not sure there is a good resolution there, though. The cops were fired at and can fire back and “no knocks” are currently allowed no matter how asinine and they had a signed judge’s warrant for such.

[iam416]

The real question is qualified immunity. That's what makes it so hard to prosecute police. As long as they had an objectionably good faith reason for their actions, they're not liable. So, in almost any case where the suspect is armed you're going to hit that threshold. There's a lot of sense to the doctrine given the dangerous nature of the job. BUT, it may be time to re-think it or re-work it. If police were more likely to be liable -- hen presumably you have fewer -- I mean EVEN fewer bad cases.