Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[Dr. Strangelove]

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[froot loops]

Well, this is a pretty diverse group of fairly smart people. I don't think any of us would think not talking about pedophilia, for example, is an approach that will make it go away. Getting this kind of stuff into the open is what will take a step forward in eradicating it.

A guy like Trump is giving them positive affirmation.

[Jeff Buchanan]

What does the Elite Right talk about at parties?

Anyways, there's plenty of right-wing NIMBYism too. Like the rich coastal conservatives who fought to keep off-shore drilling banned in Florida, lest their seaside views be ruined, or these ladies down in Texas who were for the Wall until being told it was planned to literally divide their country-club neighborhood in half.

https://valleycentral.com/news/speci...-in-the-middle

Well, yes, of course but your post is pure whataboutism. My point stands. Those associated with the left's liberal thinking on all matters pertaining to immigration aren't likely to seriously commit to them when their neighborhoods and schools their children attend are encroached upon by the socioeconomically lower classes that illegal immigration across US boarders has allowed.

The threat to this cohort is worsened by libs who have no vested interest in neighborhood but who otherwise feel fine about law breaking and will willingly provide sanctuary for illegals on unjustified humanitarian grounds.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Also, fix your autocorrect, It's BORDERS, not boarders.

[AlabamAlum]

[Dr. Strangelove]

Accidentally deleted my post in between those two. I was going to say that I'd love the R's to take your advice and run on a platform of immigrant-bashing and little else.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Cogent

[Jeff Buchanan]

Accidentally deleted my post in between those two. I was going to say that I'd love the R's to take your advice and run on a platform of immigrant-bashing and little else.

Well, if Trump survives, it worked in 2016 and I feel confident Trump thinks it will work again in 2020. Of course, the American electorate is cool to immigrant bashing - for a lot of good reasons, actually - and if that is the tack he takes, as you say, it's not a winning strategy.

But on illegal immigration, if he can make that case and stick to it (not likely because as I've said, he'll fuck up the optics) that is a winning strategy. So is opposing open boarders, the whacko liberal left's quick-sand. So is any mention of blanket amnesty for illegals and probably their off-spring (DACA) who came to the US up to decades ago and have established themselves a "model citizens." Rational Americans are against that. Reasonable pathways to citizenship for this crowd, sure, but the appropriate fear coming from the right is, give the whacko left an inch and they'll take a mile on this important issue.

In general, does the US need immigration reform especially as it relates to illegals who got in during the Obama administration's lax enforcement of immigration law? Yes it does but I don't think Trump or any D candidate can make it happen in a way that suits the diverse views of congressional Representatives and Senators. Such is life in the American democracy.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Jeff-

Scroll down a bit and you'll see polling on "do you approve of how Trump is handling immigration?". I acknowledge this is out of date but I don't believe it has sharply improved in the past 8 months.

And no, I don't think a voluntary, online poll on a conservative website is the equivalent of professional pollsters.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1726/presidential-ratings-issues-approval.aspx

Also this. Note Republicans have significantly dimmer views of immigration, even LEGAL immigration, than both Democrats and Independents. Independents tend to be closer to Dems on immigration issues.

"Overall, do you believe that immigration is good for the country or bad for the country?"
		Good	Bad	Unsure/ No answer
		%	%	%
	7/25-28/19	70	17	13
	Republicans	49	32	19
	Democrats	87	7	6
	Independents	75	13	12

https://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm

[froot loops]

In general, does the US need immigration reform especially as it relates to illegals who got in during the Obama administration's lax enforcement of immigration law? Yes it does but I don't think Trump or any D candidate can make it happen in a way that suits the diverse views of congressional Representatives and Senators. Such is life in the American democracy.

Another Fox News trope. As stated numerous times in this thread, the illegal immigration numbers crested during the GWB administration. The country got by. Is it about illegal immigration is or the brown, yellow and black skin you talked about in that earlier post?


Trump is cutting legal immigration and drastically cutting refugee admittance. It is fucking abhorrent. If someone says, "I don't like his bigotry but I like his policies" it kind of means they don't care about the bigotry.

[froot loops]

Jeff-

Scroll down a bit and you'll see polling on "do you approve of how Trump is handling immigration?". I acknowledge this is out of date but I don't believe it has sharply improved in the past 8 months.

And no, I don't think a voluntary, online poll on a conservative website is the equivalent of professional pollsters.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1726/presidential-ratings-issues-approval.aspx

Also this. Note Republicans have significantly dimmer views of immigration, even LEGAL immigration, than both Democrats and Independents. Independents tend to be closer to Dems on immigration issues.

"Overall, do you believe that immigration is good for the country or bad for the country?"
		Good	Bad	Unsure/ No answer
		%	%	%
	7/25-28/19	70	17	13
	Republicans	49	32	19
	Democrats	87	7	6
	Independents	75	13	12

https://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm

Consistently in polls immigration is popular in areas where immigrants live and more unpopular where there aren't many immigrants. Probably the pack a gun if you go to Chicago people.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Consistently in polls immigration is popular in areas where immigrants live and more unpopular where there aren't many immigrants. Probably the pack a gun if you go to Chicago people.

Somewhat related to that...I believe polls and statistics have demonstrated that the fewer Muslims you personally know, the more likely you are to dislike and fear Islam

[iam416]

Immigration, as an issue, depends on how it's framed. If it's framed by asking "do you support the batshit crazy proposals coming from almost every major D candidate" then it loses overwhelmingly. If it's framed as "children in cages" -- well, obviously. But, PDJT has pushed the Ds into preposterous positions. If you think voters support free everything for illegals, well, LMAO. But, I say go for it -- run on all that free shit -- FREE COLLEGE -- for ILLEGAL immigrants. Run on it. It's a winning issue!

Finally, the bullshit asylum claims have to be fixed. HAVE TO. A high crime rate is not cause for asylum. End. Of. Story. Nor is being in a poor country. End. Of. Story. Of course, that makes me a racist, but I can live with that. Given the source.

[iam416]

Meanwhile, on a state level, Rs are kicking ass in Florida. Super high approval ratings for both Senators and off the charts high for the DeSantis. PDJT may have a chance there. Especially if the Ds going nutso.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Iowa poll released this morning had Biden in fourth place. Not good