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[Kapture1]

The Left ladies and gents

[crashcourse]

so anybody else think this actor in Chicago is FOS

2 guys jumped me at 3am with MAGA hats on in Chicago in 0 degree weather.

12 different cameras and all you have is "2 persons of interest"--no camera views of any confrontation

actor asks the officers to turn off their body cams. declines to go to hospital and claims homophobic and racial slander--leaves a "noose" around his nec and immediately we have a ground surge those damn red hats are committing racial attacks

so anybody think this guys telling the truth

[WingsFan]

Consumers: We couldn't overcome equipment failure

The utility may not ask again. After a fire at its Macomb County facility that supplies 64 percent of the natural gas in Michigan



CEO warns of brief shutoffs if thermostats don't drop

This truly is an unprecedented crisis," she said. "We have never been in this situation before."

The state's situation has the National Security Council in Washington asking for Michiganians to "please listen" to state and local authorities over natural gas usage.

[WingsFan]

so anybody else think this actor in Chicago is FOS

2 guys jumped me at 3am with MAGA hats on in Chicago in 0 degree weather.

12 different cameras and all you have is "2 persons of interest"--no camera views of any confrontation

actor asks the officers to turn off their body cams. declines to go to hospital and claims homophobic and racial slander--leaves a "noose" around his nec and immediately we have a ground surge those damn red hats are committing racial attacks

so anybody think this guys telling the truth

CNN reported it as a hate crime - Oh wait its not -- NEXT story! FAKE NEWS!

[froot loops]

You have to indict people who are committing criminal acts to establish a conspiracy.

[Kapture1]

You have to indict people who are committing criminal acts to establish a conspiracy.

You gotta have proof of a hate crime to report it as such.

[Kapture1]

Inner city Chicago? So left even the dead vote democrat? This is MAGA Country????

I call fucking bullshit.

[The Oracle]

Shitstain tweeting about fauxvasions at the border again....must be more bad investigation news coming.

[millenwasmyfavorite]

Well I'm not sure why you would come to that first-paragraph conclusion. I don't see how the article supports that. But re this:

I think we can sensibly mitigate this increase but mitigation is more likely to come from investment in technology not public policy that imposes stringent, potentially unachievable, carbon emission reduction on industries that are now using fossil fuels for energy. The economic disadvantages imparted to US industries by such undertakings is simply not worth the supposed benefits. The article I linked to speaks to that.

Well, again, the cost of building new solar and wind plants in particular are now in many places lower than the cost of keeping old coal plants running. There need not be any ethics or values or incentives involved in these decisions. Following the money leads directly to renewables, and to less economic disadvantage imparted by policy. As it stands, global subsidies provided by government to fossil-fuel companies are around $500bn, and to renewables companies $30bn. Right now we are subsidizing something far more prone to cause economic losses. Once you net out the subsidy for both, renewables win by an even bigger margin. So that's a start in terms of thinking about policy -- you ahve to think about the policy for petroleum products as well. It is also why Trump and his DOE led by Rick Perry can try as hard as they can to put a thumb on the scale for coal and it hasn't made a difference at all. So there are no economic disadvantages to renewables, increasingly.

As for whether it should come from tech or policy, I think in the US it's common to think of those two things as independent of each other, and I don't think that's right. When governments push renewables people like Elon Musk correctly conclude that it's worth investing intellectual capital in battery storage. The tech is shaped directly or indirectly by the policy.

Another factor here to keep in mind is that, even though it's been said so often that the private sector should lead and government should get out of the way, power is yet another area where that just hasn't turned out to be true. Roughly 50m Americans buy their power from a publicly-owned utlity, and the vast majority of the rest from a private-sector, investor-owned utility. The people who get their power from a private company pay 15% more than the people who get it from a publicly-owned one. There is no apparent increase in efficiency in the private-sector ones. The economic structure here is baked in now -- we can't nationalize these companies and drop the cost of power by 15%, or use the cash to invest in renewables. We're stuck with this business model. But strictly from the standpoint of economic disadvantages this one is significant.

TBF,

The context of mitigation has evolved drastically since it even became a thing (IE carbon emission red., recycling, etc.).

We're still debating with large parts of the country that small efforts are worth their time -- we'll have to sludge through the same dissonance even as Solar/Wind becomes more civically feasible -- and, even more so for the corporations that have even greater incentive to resist/combat increasingly drastic measures.

Plenty of government agencies that would have science sectors applicable to this area have already shifted their focus from "how do we get the public to buy in" to "how can we keep doing the same thing without any of the consequences that wait ahead".

There is declining faith in the science community that any future sirens (much like previous), will cause a significant shift.

Yea, the left sounds crazy right now -- that will continue to be the case when a large faction outright deny the existence of any climate change influenced by human action -- but, anything the left is suggesting isn't nearly as insane as the theoretical low orbit/high orbit apparatuses being pitched for alleged catastrophic windows slated for 2040-2055. That is the time frame people are working in now.

[Ghengis Jon]

I know the process of discovery

mueller is blaming the Russians for leaking or hacking materials given during the discovery process to concorde a Russian company

seriously how dumb do you have to be to indict a Russian company then be forced to turn over materials to that same company again controlled by the Russians knowing damn well that material was going to be leaked

what a dumb post by froot loop he cant understand the concept of how stupid it was to indict concorde in the first place. as soon as they did it the other side hit them up for discovery forcing mueller to show his hand--now he's whining they aren't playing by the rules--are you going to indoict those dirty Russians again--maybe they'll cooperate this time--lmao

That is staggeringly foolish in the real world but maybe not so in Trumpland. Let's see. Russians are doing bad, illegal things so don't indict them because they will take advantage of our legal system for nefarious purposes. Brilliant!!!! (Or to stoop to Trumpspeak: lmao)

[hack]

TBF,

The context of mitigation has evolved drastically since it even became a thing (IE carbon emission red., recycling, etc.).

We're still debating with large parts of the country that small efforts are worth their time -- we'll have to sludge through the same dissonance even as Solar/Wind becomes more civically feasible -- and, even more so for the corporations that have even greater incentive to resist/combat increasingly drastic measures.

Plenty of government agencies that would have science sectors applicable to this area have already shifted their focus from "how do we get the public to buy in" to "how can we keep doing the same thing without any of the consequences that wait ahead".

There is declining faith in the science community that any future sirens (much like previous), will cause a significant shift.

Yea, the left sounds crazy right now -- that will continue to be the case when a large faction outright deny the existence of any climate change influenced by human action -- but, anything the left is suggesting isn't nearly as insane as the theoretical low orbit/high orbit apparatuses being pitched for alleged catastrophic windows slated for 2040-2055. That is the time frame people are working in now.

There's just stuff we don't talk about that is part of a relevant cost/benefit analysis, like the overall value of subsidies for fossil fuels. People on the right do costs analysis; people on the left do benefits analysis. All of them need to do cost/benefit analysis. The weird thing is that most people want it and so do most corporations. They're buying their own renewable power rather than relying on the utilities to give them what they want, and doing their virtue signalling about it. This is a case in which the market is genuinely leading, and it's up to politics/policy to just play a supporting role. Tweak regulations and get out of the way. But the politics/policy people are in some cases being paid via campaign finance to protect old business models from creative destruction.

[Kapture1]

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[crashcourse]

CNN is now reporting that there are witnesses in the Jussie smullet attack. an unidentified man beating a drum identified the attackers as some smirking catholic teenagers wearing MAGA hats

[WingsFan]

LOL crash you made a funny!

[Jeff Buchanan]

Hack, Millen ...... good stuff.

Hack on the conclusion I came to from the linked article: The point I was trying to make is that the scale of CO2 emission reductions to make a dent in the rate of rise of global temperatures is probably significantly more than those calling for such action realize it is. Caveat, "more studies needed." Policy makers are focused on reducing carbon emissions (e.g., carbon taxes, cut fossil fuel use through various disincentives, etc) instead of focusing on the benefits inherent in incentivizing investment in renewables ..... I think this is one of your points and it is well taken.

I do see your point about the benefits of subsidizing renewables v. subsidizing fossil fuel companies. Those numbers ($30b v $500b) are beyond what I would have thought they were. Excellent way to make your point with Elon Musk's batteries.