Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[AlabamAlum]

Norway's is skewed a bit. The thing is, the anti-gun people have been far worse at cherry picking stats than the other side. Like two kids shooting at the windows of an empty school bus with a BB gun on a Saturday listed as a "school shooting" and the guy who pulled into the lot of a closed school at night to kill himself listed as one, too.

The fact remains that mass shootings happen in other countries; that the belief that other countries don't have them is pure fairy tale.

[CGVT]

The fact remains that many countries have no shootings at all or substantially fewer than the US but they the have same violent video games.

All the gun guys are looking for what to blame. Too many entrances into schools, video games, not enough armed teachers, tc etc, but they don't want to address the obvious constant.

[AlabamAlum]

But anyway, this is America. If we as a society want the 2ndA repealed, it can be done. What shouldn't happen, however, is some unofficial repeal of that freedom through continued feel-good bureaucratic incrementalism.

[AlabamAlum]

All the gun guys are looking for what to blame. Too many entrances into schools, video games, not enough armed teachers, tc etc, but they don't want to address the obvious constant.

I want to blame the guy who pulled the trigger.

Just like when a guy drives drunk and rams his Yukon into a minivan that kills a family, I don't want to blame Jim Beam, Chevy, the DMV for giving him a license, or the Eisenhower Interstate system- just the guy who drove drunk.

[CGVT]

I just send my thoughts and prayers to the victims

[AlabamAlum]

Good for you.

[CGVT]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html

What Explains U.S. Mass Shootings? International Comparisons Suggest an Answer


(Let me give you a hint. It ain't video games)

[Kapture1]

See Kapture's post on the existing gun laws in Texas that require gun owners to keep their guns locked up to prevent such acts as those that occurred in TX.

A law was broken by the father of the shooter. Arrest and prosecute him. If you are a gun owner and I believe the facts will demonstrate there are far more responsible than irresponsible ones, follow the laws or pay the consequences.

I'm not sure where Kapture or others here (Jon?) that generally support responsible gun ownership stand on this but I think it is reasonable to ban the manufacture and sale of large capacity ammunition feeding devices. I think that is one reasonable step to take, among others:

Here's some background on such laws one of which was passed in 1994 but expired in 2004:

http://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/hardware-ammunition/large-capacity-magazines/

I understand the slippery slope argument that Kapture advances here and others elsewhere on most subjects involving gun control. I think that argument has limits to wit: why does a responsibly armed citizen need such a magazine to defend his property or his person. NB, I'm not going to denigrate the slippery slope argument regarding firearms in general only high capacity magazines. This keeps us here free of squabbling over the highly contentious definition of an assault rifle present any time the issue of gun control comes up. There are actually laws in place to make the ownership of fully automatic rifles and pistols unlawful anyway. Enforce them.

...... and I'll repeat: among other measures to take now is improved funding of and access to mental health resources to deal with the aberrant behavior that is present in any citizen that takes up a firearm of any type to carry out the planned and purposeful killing of innocents in public places. To this end I'd also advocate for giving law enforcement and school officials broader powers to investigate behavior identified by legitimate individuals as indicative of a person who may perpetrate a crime in the setting of public institutions (e.g., schools, theaters, courts, etc.), to reduce the number of single act deaths (mass shootings) with firearms.

i don't support limiting mags to 7 or 10 etc.

[Jeff Buchanan]

But anyway, this is America. If we as a society want the 2ndA repealed, it can be done. What shouldn't happen, however, is some unofficial repeal of that freedom through continued feel-good bureaucratic incrementalism.

Correct.

I got on-board with this approach when, after Parkland, 97yo retired Justice Stevens wrote that the best way to mitigate the powerful argument advanced by the NRA and some gun owners that produces this useless incrementalism re gun control is repeal of 2A.

There may be other less direct but nonetheless effective interventions such as those I have mentioned but this is the nut-crusher that has the best potential of stemming the ever increasing numbers of mass shootings.

Simple but I don't think repeal is a player.

[Jeff Buchanan]

i don't support limiting mags to 7 or 10 etc.

After Jon's post, I can't support it either.

[iam416]

What exactly are “mass shootings”? That’s a prog favorite.

[Ghengis Jon]

That's a law enforcement term. I think it means 4 or more victims.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Fair question. You know the answer though so, I won't answer it for you. I'll stop using the term and go back to this........ let's work on finding ways to reduce the number of shootings in public places where there is premeditated intent to inflict as many casualties as possible as guickly as possible with a firearm.

If 2A repeal and whatever follows from that is the way to go, I'm all for it.

[Kapture1]

Fair question. You know the answer though so, I won't answer it for you. I'll stop using the term and go back to this........ let's work on finding ways to reduce the number of shootings in public places where there is premeditated intent to inflict as many casualties as possible as guickly as possible with a firearm.

If 2A repeal and whatever follows from that is the way to go, I'm all for it.

never.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Also correct and aleady acknowledged by me.
However, never say never.