Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[iam416]

SLF:

Why do you think democratic socialism leads to fantastic success?

[Kapture1]

Failing Norway's version of social security holds roughly $190,000 per Norwegian.

They are capitalist with a generious social safety net.

Now THAT isnt real socialism lol

[Dr. Strangelove]

When Obama and Trump met right before the inauguration, Obama warned Trump against hiring Flynn.

This was a Jedi mind trick. Obama knew Trump would do the opposite of anything Obama would do. He therefore drew the poisoned chalice closer.

[THE_WIZARD_]

The Libtard Bible...

[hack]

Let's move abruptly to have this discussion on an appropriate level, if most of us are amenable? My response above was intentionally as stupid as the post SLF was replying to. Each country has its own set of factors. Norway's resources-to-population ratio is off the charts and its success as a socialist democracy holds no takeaways for anyone else. Norwegians are just lucky.

IMO it's a question of finding the sweet spot between markets and capitalism, and determining what outcomes should be market outcomes and what outcomes should not. That's basic Adam Smith there. He didn't believe the invisible hand applied to as many things as Americans do today. But an intelligent debate first needs participants that understand the difference between markets, which are pro-competition, and capitalism, which is anti-competitive. If some people want to call that socialism, then I like socialism. If people want to instead just take the ideas for what they are, and forget the crude labeling, that's even better.

[Kapture1]

Naw, we know socialism by what Lenin said the goal of socialism is.

[froot loops]

If none of the activity was illegal then it begs the question why these folks were lying about the contact with the Russians. Kapture might be right that an incoming president and his NSA have a right to undermine the acting administration sanctions, but codify it into law. Remove the Logan Act

Maybe inauguration should happen the next day, but as it is actively trying to undermine the existing administration goes against the tradition of one president at a time. If Kapture is right I fully expect Trump to argue that, but we have to see what Flynn testifies to as he is fully in cooperating with Special Counsel Mueller.

[iam416]

If this is all about transition contacts then the whole thing is hot fucking garbage.

[froot loops]

If this is all about transition contacts then the whole thing is hot fucking garbage.

It isn't much and it isn't impeachable.

[iam416]

the difference between markets, which are pro-competition, and capitalism, which is anti-competitive.

IMO, if you're going to rightfully push for nuance and high-level discussion, then you ought to clarify statements like this. Capitalism is, ultimately, anti-competitive if played to the end. But, for a large portion of any market life it's absolutely pro-competitive. I mean, I can pull definitions from practically everywhere that says that capitalism includes pro-competitive markets.

Saying that capitalism is non-competitive in a blanket fashion is surely the easiest way to get lost in the forest of an argument that doesn't particularly matter to your overall post.

My advice, of course, is worth exactly how much it costs. So, there's that.

[froot loops]

They are capitalist with a generious social safety net.

Now THAT isnt real socialism lol

Neither is California, that's where this argument started, California is the leading engine of the US economy by far.

[iam416]

It isn't much and it isn't impeachable.

Correct. To be clear, my statement included *if* -- I will never rule out any type of DJT behavior, success, failure, asshattery, whatever -- ever again. If someone tells me he paid Putin $1B to interfere, sure -- I can believe that. If someone tells me he manages to get re-fucking-elected, sure -- why the fuck not.

My comment is only on the foreign contacts stuff.

[iam416]

California is the leading engine of the US economy by far

Yeah, it's an interesting conundrum they have. But, no doubt -- NoCal, in particular, is disproportionately important and, in terms of VC, hugely important w/ any relative qualifiers.

The State, itself, is in less good shape.

[Dr. Strangelove]

If this is all about transition contacts then the whole thing is hot fucking garbage.

If it moves into campaign contacts...?

I'm pretty confident that more is coming because I seriously doubt they'd offer Flynn a deal over a lying charge that they could've easily gotten a conviction over. If Flynn was also what they viewed as the last major player, the 'kingpin' if you will, they wouldn't have offered him any deals either.

More than likely Kushner's the one that should be most worried right now. But who knows

I'd really like to know more about how Flynn and Trump met and how he rose to prominence. Was is it because Flynn carried a grudge against Obama too? I've never seen a good story on how he attached to the campaign.

[froot loops]

Correct. To be clear, my statement included *if* -- I will never rule out any type of DJT behavior, success, failure, asshattery, whatever -- ever again. If someone tells me he paid Putin $1B to interfere, sure -- I can believe that. If someone tells me he manages to get re-fucking-elected, sure -- why the fuck not.

My comment is only on the foreign contacts stuff.

In my opinion the money laundering and obstruction of justice has been much more likely to be proven than something that resembles collusion. All of the people who have been interviewed by Mueller have got to be sweating.