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Lara Trump gave an interview with Fox today saying she read the transcript of what Trump said to the widow, and he did great. Just about an hour ago, the Press Secretary said there's no transcript.
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Originally posted by Mainevent View PostSo if there is a transcript of these sacred conversations they apparently get passed around the Trump family tree for everyone to read and enjoy?
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'Massive intelligence failure' led to Niger deaths, claims anonymous congressional source. The US had no rapid deployment force on hand to rescue the soldiers if they encountered trouble. There's now reporting that La David Johnson (the same soldier whose family is involved with this Trump brouhaha) was found a mile from the ambush site.
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More fake news...
Representative Frederica S. Wilson said John F. Kelly, the president’s chief of staff, lied by suggesting she had taken credit for obtaining funding for a federal building in Miami.
After Video Refutes Kelly’s Charges, Congresswoman Raises Issue of Race
By YAMICHE ALCINDOR and MICHAEL D. SHEAROCT. 20, 2017
WASHINGTON — Video of a 2015 speech delivered by Representative Frederica S. Wilson revealed Friday that John F. Kelly, the White House chief of staff, misrepresented her remarks when he accused her of bragging about securing $20 million for a South Florida F.B.I. building and twisting President Barack Obama’s arm.
Mr. Kelly, escalating a feud between Mr. Trump and Ms. Wilson, had cast the congresswoman on Thursday as a publicity-seeking opportunist. However, the video, released by The Sun Sentinel, a newspaper in South Florida, showed that during her nine-minute speech, Ms. Wilson never took credit for getting the money for the building, only for helping pass legislation naming the building after two fallen federal agents.
She never mentioned pleading with Mr. Obama, and she acknowledged the help of several Republicans, including John A. Boehner, then the House speaker; Representatives Mario Diaz-Balart and Carlos Curbelo; and Senator Marco Rubio.
Ms. Wilson, in an interview on Friday, called Mr. Kelly a liar and hinted strongly that the altercation, prompted by a call from President Trump to the widow of a fallen black soldier, was racially charged.
“The White House itself is full of white supremacists,” she said.
“I feel very sorry for him because he feels such a need to lie on me and I’m not even his enemy,” Ms. Wilson said of Mr. Kelly. “I just can’t even imagine why he would fabricate something like that. That is absolutely insane. I’m just flabbergasted because it’s very easy to trace.”
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Congresswoman Wilson made the most critical remark in this entire controversy: “The White House itself is full of white supremacists."...
While she stopped short of accusing Mr. Kelly, a retired Marine general, of racial animus, she did say that others in the White House are racially biased.
“They are making themselves look like fools. They have no credibility,” she said. “They are trying to assassinate my character, and they are assassinating their own because everything they say is coming out and shown to be a lie.”
But Mr. Trump and his top aides remained defiant on Friday, even after the video was released. In an interview with Fox Business Network’s Maria Bartiromo, Mr. Trump said he found Ms. Wilson’s criticism of Mr. Kelly “sickening.” The president called his chief of staff “a very elegant man,” and added that Mr. Kelly “is a tough, strong four-star Marine.”
Mr. Kelly, Mr. Trump said, was offended that Ms. Wilson publicized what the president said was “a very nice” call to the widow of a soldier killed in action in Niger.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary, said that Mr. Kelly “absolutely” stands by his Thursday remarks.
“General Kelly said he was ‘stunned’ that Representative Wilson made comments at a building dedication honoring slain F.B.I. agents about her own actions in Congress, including lobbying former President Obama on legislation,” Ms. Sanders said in a statement. “As General Kelly pointed out, if you’re able to make a sacred act like honoring American heroes about yourself, you’re an empty barrel.”
Ms. Sanders escalated the messaging a few hours later: “As we say in the South: all hat, no cattle,” she said. Ms. Wilson is known in the Capitol and in South Florida for her colorful hats.
Ms. Sanders also told a reporter who questioned Mr. Kelly’s veracity that “if you want to get into a debate with a four-star Marine general, I think that that’s something highly inappropriate.”
The charges and countercharges on Friday veered into the incendiary issue of race. Ms. Wilson is African-American, as is Myeshia Johnson, the widow of Sgt. La David T. Johnson, one of four American soldiers killed on Oct. 4 in Niger.
People in Ms. Wilson’s South Florida district and some members of the Congressional Black Caucus echoed Ms. Wilson’s accusations, though they also noted that Mr. Trump attacks people of all races.
Clifford W. Jordan, 60, the general manager of a nursing company in the same building as Ms. Wilson’s Miami Gardens office, said the criticism of the congresswoman smacked of racism and sexism.
“There’s all this noise around the one black guy who died in Niger — no one is even talking about the other guys — and now they’re going after this black congresswoman,” said Mr. Jordan, whose father died in the 1960s while serving as a sergeant in the Air Force.
“It’s almost like General Kelly was telling the congresswoman, ‘You don’t know your place, you’re not supposed to criticize the president,’” said Mr. Jordan, who is black. “That’s how it looks to the black people.”
Stacey Plaskett, a Democrat and the Virgin Islands’ delegate to Congress, said she was especially offended that Mr. Trump did not seem to know Sergeant Johnson’s name.
“He continually called that fallen soldier ‘your guy’ to his wife. That was his wife,” she said. “It was almost as if he doesn’t believe that we have husbands and wives as black people. And that I find very disturbing, that he would not give her the respect of calling that soldier her husband.”
“I think he challenges anybody who goes after him and corrects him, whether they are black or white or male or female,” she continued. “I think the attack is more stark when it is a woman of color.”
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Representative Karen Bass, Democrat of California, said it was not surprising to see people attack Sergeant Johnson’s widow in racially derogatory terms on social media. “He has given license to this,” Ms. Bass said of President Trump. “He’s promoted it. He’s agitated it. He’s encouraged it.”
The issue exploded this week when Ms. Wilson went public to say that in a condolence call to Ms. Johnson, Mr. Trump had said that Sergeant Johnson “knew what he signed up for.”
Mr. Trump flatly declared that Ms. Wilson’s account was fabricated, but on Thursday, when Mr. Kelly defended the president, he did not reject her account.
Instead, he accused her of turning Sergeant Johnson’s death into a political stunt. The congresswoman had known Sergeant Johnson and his family for years, beginning when, in elementary school, he joined a mentoring program that she had started. She was in the limousine with Ms. Johnson and her two children, awaiting Sergeant Johnson’s body at Miami International Airport, when the president’s call came in over a speakerphone.
Although he did not use her name, Mr. Kelly said he and the congresswoman were both at the 2015 ceremony for a new Miami F.B.I. building that was named after Benjamin P. Grogan and Jerry L. Dove, agents who were killed in a 1986 shootout. Mr. Kelly said Ms. Wilson had taken credit for getting the funding for the building. Ms. Wilson’s congressional district includes parts of Miami.
“And we were stunned — stunned that she’d done it,” Mr. Kelly said. “Even for someone that is that empty a barrel, we were stunned.”
Mr. Trump’s aides — many of whom had teared up during Mr. Kelly’s remarks on Thursday, seeing them as an emotional defense of the president — were angry on Friday as the controversy continued.
“It should have ended yesterday after General Kelly’s comments. But it didn’t. It continued,” Ms. Sanders said. “He thought it was important that people got a full and accurate picture of what took place.”
If that was his goal, Mr. Kelly failed. His recollection of Ms. Wilson’s appearance at the dedication of the F.B.I. building was highly inaccurate, and only ratcheted up the political tensions.
During the April 2015 dedication ceremony for the building that houses the F.B.I.’s South Florida operations, Ms. Wilson spoke about how quickly she was able to get a bill through the typically slow and bureaucratic Congress.
“It is a miracle, to say the least,” Ms. Wilson said of the swift legislative action. But, she said, the quick passage shows how much respect Congress has for the F.B.I.
“Most men and women in law enforcement leave their homes for work knowing that there is a possibility they may not return,” Ms. Wilson said.I feel like I am watching the destruction of our democracy while my neighbors and friends cheer it on
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Check out this NRA ad. Guns aren't even mentioned. It's all about how the despicable Left is trying to destroy Glorious Leader's Presidency.
The saboteurs must be crushed! Our enemies will perish in the flames of their own fires! We are the National Rifle Association!
Did Kim Jong Un write this script?
[ame]https://twitter.com/NRATV/status/921390510576562176[/ame]
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READ THIS. Someone leaked to Roll Call emails from the WH to the DOD.
On the morning of Oct. 17 Trump claimed that he had called every family that had lost a military member since his inauguration. Or nearly everyone.
That evening, the WH scrambled and sent requests to the DOD to urgently send over contacts for every service member who had died since his inauguration.
65 members of the military have been killed in action or in accidents since Trump became President. The AP contacted 20 families and half said they hadn't heard from Trump.
Note the wishy-washy language used by Sanders and the White House when responding to reporters. "Made contact". "Existing protocols".
“The president’s made contact with all of the families that have been presented to him through the White House Military Office,” she replied. “All of the individuals that the president has been presented with through the proper protocol have been contacted through that process.”
That language is hedged. “Made contact” does not mean a phone call necessarily, and “through that process” could mean letters of condolence or other forms.
The administration echoed Sanders’ language Friday night.
“The White House ensured that the President had contacted all families of soldiers killed in action that had been presented to him through existing protocols,” spokesman Raj Shah said in an email.
I know it's not the most important issue going on, but this speaks to Trump's character. He's so used to casual lying and exaggeration (it's what he's done his whole life) that he really has no limits on what he'll lie about.
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I'm curious on Kelly's motivation. Did Trump tell him to go out there and defend him on the calls? Is Kelly doing it in hopes his gravitas will help shut down the controversy? Is he personally stepping out because this topic is close to him?
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BxsCyS6Y8U"]Gen. Kelly speaks at White House (full remarks) - YouTube[/ame]
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...gative-n806681
Trump’s Right: His Media Coverage Is Mostly Negative
At the same time that the jobs reports have been stellar, ISIS is on the run, stock market is at an all time high, confidence in the economy and manufacturing is at a decade high, taxes are about to be lowered, illegal immigration is way down, fantastic SCOTUS appointment, no evidence of Russia collusion after months and months of investigations by several different agencies and committees, and prototypes of the wall are being constructed.
but 98% negative coverage, because objectivity or something. Keep telling yourself that.
This is going to backfire massively. Anyone thinking the blue wave is coming is going to be sadly mistaken. By all means please keep donating to that 2020 reelection fund.
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Originally posted by Da GeezerAnd you too, my friend, should watch what Gen. Kelly actually said. His credibility will no suffer one iota.
Gen. Kelly speaks at White House (full remarks) - YouTube
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