Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[Da Geezer]

Well, does anyone have a solution to the lack of dairy farm workers in Wisconsin? Rinocare does have a work requirement. I say that's good. And I point to historical evidence of that approach working. In 1997 there were news articles of the projected number of welfare recipients who were going to starve. I kid you not.

One thing you will notice with progressives is that they have a very low opinion of the intellect of those on welfare. In MI, welfare recipients can get a property tax rebate from the state, but the amount of documentation is massive. Citizenship, ownership, utilities, loan amounts and about 10 pages of other stuff. At the March Boards of Review, I watch those folks present well-prepared documentation to claim a benefit to which they are entitled. BTW, these are the same folks who can't possibly be expected to know how to register to vote.

Welfare recipients react to economic stimulus in the same way everyone else does. If they can make the equivalent of $ 30,000 on welfare, that is the same as they can make working a full year at $ 15.00 per hour, and the 30k is tax-free. All else equal, they choose not to work.

I apologize for making blanket statements. I obviously know that not all unemployed choose to be so, and that not all welfare recipients are savvy in terms of qualifying for benefits. I was always taught not to couch debating points in weasel words. So just figure I mean "some" in front of my statements until I say otherwise.

[froot loops]

The only thing you really apologize for is getting called out on it. If you really apologized for blanket statements, you wouldn't keep using them like you did in paragraph 2. hey whatever, go crack another birther joke to lighten up the mood.

And this is not a bill for welfare, it's a bill for healthcare.

[The Oracle]

Same thing to some.

[Whitley]

Same thing to some.

True and in Geezer's world I am a deadbeat.

[Da Geezer]

froot, you are taking today's vote way too seriously, just as you took the pulling of the bill too seriously eight weeks ago. IF this thing passes, it won't look anything like what was passed today. Your 24 million number of people who ostensibly will lose their health insurance comes from a CBO "estimate". Those are exactly the same folks who told us that we would see a drop of $ 2,500 per family in insurance premiums with the passage of Obamacare. They scored the ACA as basically revenue neutral. So don't take what they say too seriously. CBO is just a propaganda arm of the deep state.

It is true that this is a large tax cut for working folks. There is no way that the Dems in the Senate will allow a tax cut for folks like WIZ. Don't worry. It won't happen.

But then again....if the Rs can take an additional 8 net seats in the Senate in 2018.....then a tax cut might see the light of day....heh

I do consider Medicaid welfare. The core of the ACA was an expansion of Medicaid.

[froot loops]

Maybe the solution is to bring the unemployed coal miners to the dairy farms. That would solve Geezer's concern for them.

[The Oracle]

True and in Geezer's world I am a deadbeat.

He still thinks you're a teacher in his world too.

[froot loops]

The CBO score was pretty good on how many more people would have insurance. If you end the medicaid expansion as this bill does, it's pretty clear that 14 million will lose Medicaid. Rip in the CBO score all you want but many people will lose health insurance, it will probably be about the same or more than gained under the ACA.


As far as taking it too seriously, it's like when the Democrats thought facing Trump would help them. It is a false sense of security hoping the Senate saves this bill from being passed. If Democrats think that, they are in for a rude awakening. In March, there were as many moderates opposing the bill and HFC. The HFC got all kinds of incentives and the moderates got nothing, they caved. Expected any holdouts in the Senate to cave. They might put a few fig leafs like that stupid Upton amendment, but it will not be appreciably different.

[Whitley]

I do consider Medicaid welfare. The core of the ACA was an expansion of Medicaid.

So the poor do not deserve to have health insurance?

[froot loops]

You can have a job and not have health care and not be able to afford healthcare until the ACA. In that case you are a deadbeat.

[Whitley]

You can have a job and not have health care and not be able to afford healthcare until the ACA. In that case you are a deadbeat.

I must be a deadbeat then. I mean I worked at a job that was the result of government privatizing it. I was good enough to be retain when they switched to a different private company to do it. Two weeks before I got my 90 days in with the new company, I was let go on made up crap. I had to fight to get my unemployment (and I did win the case). After 20 weeks, my unemployment ran out and despite putting in 50 applications had no job. I continued to send out resumes while I went back and finished an online class. Still nothing. Found out that in the field I was trying to break into that no one gave credit to place I graduated online from. So I became a member (as a student) back in May did three classes from them and did that in 4.5 months (according to them it should take a year) and then passed my certification the first time 2 weeks later. It is now May again. And I have put out 190 resumes/application for a job. I have gotten 6 interviews and no job.

The only way I have health insurance (and afford to go to the doctor) is through the expansion of Medicaid. I guess in Geezer's world. I am a deadbeat and deserve to die if I can't afford the meds I need.

[hack]

The interesting thing is how the incentives are talked about. When corporations hide money overseas beacuse they are legally entitled to as long as they create a believable fiction about it, and then insist on a tax break in order to invest, this is referred to by so many people as creating an enabling environment for job creation. When people are criticized for accessing government help they are legally entitled to as long as they create a believable fiction about it, these are no long sane economic actors responding intelligently to market signals -- they are deadbeats or gimme-dats or whatever. The shifting standards are silly.

Same goes for this idea that the government should intervene. When the government backs renewables, this is unwise market intervention. When the government mandates people work in order to get government benefits, suddenly it's no longer a distortion of the free market.

Of course none of it makes any sense.

[froot loops]

Whitley - what field are you trying to break into?

[Wild Hoss]

You can have a job and not have health care and not be able to afford healthcare until the ACA. In that case you are a deadbeat.

That was my uncle. He runs a framing business...by which I mean he and another guy frame houses. Summer, winter, rain or shine, he's out there hammering, sawing and carrying lumber around. He had to choose between healthcare and his house/child support after his wife left him. When he got cancer, we signed him up for coverage under the ACA.

If he's a deadbeat....IDK what that says about the rest of us here.

[Whitley]

Whitley - what field are you trying to break into?

Medical Billing and Coding.

From US Career Institute...I have a Medical Billing Specialist course certificate
From AAPC (American Association of Professional Coders) I have a CPC certificate. Currently I am a CPC-A just need a year being employed (since I took the practical version of coding class from them) to get rid of the A.