Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[iam416]

DSL:

Yeah, you can definitely see MW going R and Sun Belt splitting with higher population states going D.

Longer term, of course.

[Dr. Strangelove]

I looked it up. Wallace also won Maryland in 1972. But point taken. Still think it's a big longshot for Trump to win there

[Dr. Strangelove]

DSL:

Yeah, you can definitely see MW going R and Sun Belt splitting with higher population states going D.

Longer term, of course.

Some of the MW could go R. Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Illinois (dominated by Chicago) did not over-rely on manufacturing in the way that Michigan, Ohio, and western PA did. I don't think Trump's reversal of 40 years of Republican policy on free trade and newfound hatred for lax immigration (see his stances 2012 or earlier) have as much resonance up there. And the white population in Minnesota/Wisconsin, quite frankly, has more of a socialist/Scandinavian bent.

Urbanization will always favor the D's I feel.

[iam416]

Depends. It's a 20-yr proposition, but I think Pa, Ohio and Michigan will drift toward R. That means Ohio will go and PA and M will go purple. Wisconsin, I think, will evolve, too. Minnesota is probably solid D for the long term.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Disagree on PA. The most Republican parts of PA are dying. Scranton, Altoona, Pittsburgh, will all decline in importance as Harrisburg-York-Allentown-Philly rise and I don't see that area becoming majority Republican.

Not sure it'll be true even in Ohio. If Trump fails will the Republican Party continue to embrace protectionism? Doubt it. Much more likely the Party falls apart and splits.

[iam416]

I'll bet on continued R control of Ohio ahead of the Rs disintegrating. As much as I possibly can.

[Dr. Strangelove]

MOV in PA since 1988

1988 Bush +2.31%
1992 Clinton + 9.02%
1996 Clinton +9.2%
2000 Gore +4.17%
2004 Kerry +2.5%
2008 Obama +10.32%
2012 Obama +5.38%
2016 ?

[Dr. Strangelove]

lol

[ame]https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/795836759548526592[/ame]

[Da Geezer]

Real Clear Politics final polls, giving the state to the leader, the electoral vote comes out 273-265 Clinton. I don't know the breakdown.

[The Oracle]

Lol. I'll lay the 8.

[Cody_Russell]

I have Clinton winning 328-210
48% Clinton, 44% Trump.

[iam416]

I think it's in that ballpark. As I wait in line to vote.

[froot loops]

If the line at my polling station is any indication, no chance of Michigan going for Trump. We need early voting or more polling places. This line is bigger than 2008 or 2012. FFS

[iam416]

Mine was 15 minute wait. At 7am. And Ohio has early voting. Because Ohio doesn't hate black folks. Unless they leave the state to play for M. But that's understandable.

[froot loops]

Minimum 1 hour wait here, it will be 2 hours later on. My wife had to bail, she has to work again at 7, I doubt she makes it.