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Anyhow, my predictions are my predictions
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Oh, I get that. Not trying to change your mind. Simply setting out opposing prediction.Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
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Some of Hannibal's predictions sound marvelous. I'm not sure about his Hispanic vote prediction, that one will look silly.Comment
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Both McCain and Romney got absolutely crushed with Hispanics. It's funny how people totally forget this and they think that Trump is going to be the first candidate to only get about 30% of the Hispanic vote. John McCain supported amnesty loudly and bashed his own constituents for not being on board with it, and he got a palty 31% of the Hispanic vote.Originally posted by froot loops View PostComment
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31 is better than 15.
You keep on saying that McCain supported amnesty in his campaign. I've told you it is false. He repudiated his support for immigration reform. Get your facts straight, he was calling for not a wall but a fence.Comment
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LMAO at 15. Here are four polls that average out to Hillary being +38 with Hispanics. Obama was +44 over Romney and +36 over McCain.Originally posted by froot loops View Post
LMAOOriginally posted by froot loops View Post
The bill's sole sponsor in the Senate was Majority Leader Harry Reid, though it was crafted in large part as a result of efforts by Senators Kennedy, McCain and Kyl, along with Senator Lindsey Graham, and input from President George W. Bush, who strongly supported the bill.Last edited by Hannibal; November 7, 2016, 02:46 PM.Comment
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Laugh all you want, in the 2008 campaign he said he would vote against that bill. Get your facts straight.Originally posted by Hannibal View PostLMAO at 15. Here are four polls that average out to Hillary being +38 with Hispanics. Obama was +44 over Romney and +36 over McCain.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compre...rm_Act_of_2007Comment
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Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) today offered a robust argument for the immigration reform legislation pending in Congress while directing scorn at his rivals, especially former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, for what he said was pandering to Republican Party conservatives who oppose the measure without offering alternatives.
In a speech to the Greater Miami Chamber of Commerce, McCain said passage of the massive compromise bill is an "imperfect" effort to deal with the issue, but he called it "a serious, comprehensive and practical attempt to secure our borders, defend the rule of law, help our economy grow and make it possible for the United States to know who has entered this country illegally."
McCain has stepped up his immigration rhetoric on the stump as his colleagues in the Senate are heading toward a legislative showdown on the measure this week. He has also stepped up his criticism of Romney, accusing him of carping at the bill from the sidelines.
"If someone objects to it, especially if they are a candidate for president, they should have the responsibility and courage to propose another way," McCain said in the speech. He added later, "Pandering for votes on this issue, while offering no solution to the problem, amounts to doing nothing. And doing nothing is silent amnesty."
McCain did not mention Romney by name in today's speech. But the two have been engaged in an increasingly heated back-and-forth over immigration since the compromise bill was unveiled last month.
In a statement released after McCain's speech, Romney said he has "respect" for McCain, but he linked McCain to another sponsor of the measure, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), and said their bill "falls short" of a solution to the immigration problems.
"In reforming our immigration system, we must meet three priorities," Romney said. "First, we can and must secure our borders. Second, our country must have an enforceable employment verification system. Third, in reforming our immigration system, we must do so in a way that rewards immigrants who obey the laws and guards against providing special incentives for those who show no regard for them."
In late 2005, Romney praised a similar measure that McCain sponsored. But more recently, he has taken to calling the approach "amnesty," and he was one of the first Republican presidential candidates to blast the latest bill. The "Issues Watch" page on his presidential Web site has one paragraph and one quote from Romney.
"We must reform the current immigration laws so we can secure our borders, implement a mandatory biometrically enabled, tamper proof documentation and employment verification system, and increase legal immigration into America," the Web site says.
In McCain's speech, the border-state senator offered an impassioned plea for his proposal to do that. He argued that the change in laws will help secure the country's borders against terrorism while also keeping the country open to the legal immigration that he said makes it strong.
"I defend with no reservation our proposal to offer the people who harvest our crops, tend our gardens, work in our restaurants, care for our children and clean our homes a chance to be legal citizens of this country," he said. "They will have to earn it. They must come out from the shadows, pay their penalties, fees and taxes, stay employed, obey our laws, learn our language and history, and go to the back of the line and wait years for the privilege of being an American."Comment
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McCain never dropped his support for amnesty. He just wanted a pinky-swear promise that we would never have to do it again, which is idiotic. He still groveled at the feet of Hispanics and apologized for wanting a border fence and better enforcement, and he got a whopping 31% of the Hispanic vote.Last edited by Hannibal; November 7, 2016, 02:59 PM.Comment
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The 2008 campaign was in 2008.Comment
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He didn't grovel he voted for fence. How do you think you can win decreasing the Hispanic vote?Comment
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He groveled and apologized for not supporting unconditional amnesty** by saying that he just wanted some better enforcement and assurances that we wouldn't be going through this same thing in 20 years. As if any reasonable fucking person has a right to be pissed off about that. He never changed his position to deporting them all. Nor did he quote any of the (accurate) statistics that show that third world immigrants consume government services at a wildly disproportionate rate. He never said a single thing that could be remotely considered racist and he constantly boasted about his ability to reach across the aisle and work with people like Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy. He is still very far to the left of the Republican base on just about every issue. And he got 31% of the Hispanic vote.
It's not possible to pander more than George W. George W. did ads in Spanish, expanded the welfare state, and unwaveringly supported open borders as much as any Liberal Democrat and he lost the Hispanic vote by 27% against Gore and then 18% against Kerry. He also got single digit support with blacks.
**Any amnesty will effectively be unconditional amnesty, since provisions about paying back taxes and learning English will never be enforced.Last edited by Hannibal; November 7, 2016, 03:12 PM.Comment
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Ok you proven it, he grovelled(ha), at least your guy now isn't grovelling. He's doing almost everything you've called for, let's see if you are right tomorrow.Comment
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Ronald Reagan lost the Hispanic vote to Mondale by 24%. In 1986, he signed Amnesty 1.0, which was a bipartisan bill. His successor, Bush Sr., lost Hispanics to Dukakis by 39%.
If only the Repubilcans weren't such racist meany-heads. Those "natural Conservatives" are just waiting for the perfect opportunity to vote Republican.Last edited by Hannibal; November 7, 2016, 03:20 PM.Comment
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Like I said, your guy is doing everything you want we'll see if it works.Comment
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