Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[WingsFan]

Hillary eeks out a win in closest Iowa caucus history at 4:10 AM. Lot of socialists in the Hawkeye state, while Fox News basically gloating all night about 'foolish' Trump's decision to skip the debate.

[lineygoblue]

It was a foolish decision. But he may have lost anyway because both Cruz and Rubio were better than expected..

[Ghengis Jon]

Hillary wins because 5 (five!!!) precincts were tied and required a coin toss. Clinton won all five tosses. Should be interesting to hear the final vote count.

[WingsFan]

I have read there were 6 coin tossed and Hillary won all? That is just crazy!

[Mike]

Trump mania lasted through about 2 hours of actual voting. My guess is his campaign unravels from here.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Hillary wins because 5 (five!!!) precincts were tied and required a coin toss. Clinton won all five tosses. Should be interesting to hear the final vote count.

Will they release the actual vote count?

[froot loops]

I wouldn't take that much out of Iowa. Trump's biggest challenge was not being Howard Dean. His support collapsed when the voting started he was leading by as many as 30 points in the poll. Trump was underperformed his polls but it wasn't by much, it was within the margin of error. This result means he got voters out and will probably mean he will win New Hampshire.

As it always is, the spin coming out of it is way more important. Candidates use Iowa as a way to get cash and media attention. Trump doesn't depend on Iowa for that.

[Mike]

Trump was polling at 36% and ended up getting 24% of the vote. Only 2/3 of his supporters showed up to vote. I don't think this will be an isolated occurance.

[Hannibal]

Trump mania lasted through about 2 hours of actual voting. My guess is his campaign unravels from here.

I have made the mistake of joining in on the "Trump is finished" or "Trump isn't going to last" rhetoric a couple of times. It's like Dantonio at MSU now. I'm not going to doubt him anymore until he has officially lost.

Trump was underperformed his polls but it wasn't by much, it was within the margin of error.

I don't think that it was margin of error though. The polls had him at somewhere around 40% last I saw. 24% is a good showing with all things considered but we went into yesterday with the possibility that Trump could run the table. Now it's an actual race.

The Caucuses tend to be like that more than the primaries. Tough to say what will happen from here. I don't think that Rubio's showing means much of anything. He is still a mile behind Trump in Florida supposedly. If it's not going to be Trump then it's going to be Cruz.

[Ghengis Jon]

Trump was polling at 36% and ended up getting 24% of the vote.


How much is polling disinformation? I always (quite happily) participate in telephone polls. These are the important questions that get your opinion tabulated: Yes, I am certain I will vote. Yes, I am a hardcore supporter of the <political> party. Yes I strongly support candidate X. I pick the worst possible candidate (imo) and go from there depending on the questions. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS lie to pollsters. And never pass up an opportunity.

[froot loops]

The Des Moines register had Trump at 28 percent. According to Nate Silver that pollster has been the most accurate for Iowa. CNN had Trump at 31 percent. 538's polls plus had him with a 46 percent chance. I saw no Iowa poll where he had 40 percent. Nationally he polls around 40 percent.

Like I said, the spin coming out of Iowa is always far more important.

[entropy]

I have read there were 6 coin tossed and Hillary won all? That is just crazy!

crazy... or rigged??

[froot loops]

It is curious though, Trump hasn't had a tweet since yesterday.

[Da Geezer]

I heard that Hillary won by five delegates, and won all six of the coin flips. The chance of that is 1.56%. So if the "coin flip" delegates were apportioned evenly, Bernie wins by one.

The results clearly show that God favors Hillary. Kinda like Mike D. saying God favors MSU.

[edindetroit]

crazy... or rigged??

I vote rigged.