Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[crashcourse]

I have no problem with gallego and kelly being our senators

should have maricopa counted by thanksgiving

[Dr. Strangelove]

She's likely to gain at least a couple more million because there's tons of west coast votes yet to be counted. The moron who designed that graph could at least wait until the counting actually stops.

[Jeff Buchanan]

BBC on-line runs down implications of a Trump presidency wrt FP on Ukraine, Israel, Iran, China, NATO and Russia.

Aid to Ukraine will continue but it will be conditional on initiating negotiations with Russia. There are pertinent FP papers written during Trump's last presidency that indicate Zelinski's goal of restoring Ukraine's borders to those that existed in 2014 (includes Crimea) are unachievable. Trump will have to exert pressure on Putin to cede something back to Ukraine. What that is remains to be seen. I have no doubt Putin wants the costly war with Ukraine he started to end. It has substantially weakened Russia's economy and the loss of nearly 750,000 young men who have died in battle along with well educated Russians who have fled the country risks Russia's future human resources for the public and private sectors because of the brain drain and dramatic population and demographic shifts. So there is that for Trump to use as leverage with Putin.

Trump withdrew from the nuclear deal with Iran. IMO a good thing. He will continue to treat Iranian leadership as undesirable and bolster his relationships with the region's Arab nations. That is something he was working towards that Biden ditched. Trump's FP in the ME as president resulted in the Abraham Accords that if fully implemented would have resulted in Arab states recognizing Israel's right to exist. Iran sent it's proxy in Gaza, Hamas, into Israel more than a year ago to disrupt that process. It will be restarted under Trump with Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah in Lebanon considerably weakened politically and militarily - a good thing.

On NATO, Trump's threats to leave that treaty organization was more a threat intended to get NATO to pay for it's share of the defense of its members and Western Europe. I thought it was dangerous but it has had an effect. NATO has been planning for its continuation in a Trump presidency - which means they're figuring out how to pay for the defense of Europe that the US traditionally had footed the bill without it.

On China, I think Trump will be much more pragmatic than his campaign would have you think regarding tariffs. This isn't an area where I have a lot of understanding. My gut tells me he's not going to blow up the US economy as his political detractors claim he will do by implementing drastic tariffs. Keep in mind he put some of those tariff's in place during his presidency that Biden and his economic team continued uninterrupted. Trump has a good relationship with Xi. I think there will be a reduction in the friction between the two countries that existed under Biden. On Taiwan, Trump has said, Xi is unlikely to invade that country while he is president because Xi thinks or knows Trump is "fucking crazy" having no idea of how the US might respond to a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. Yep, those are Trumps words.

The bottom line for me is that I'm willing to put up with Trump's "mean tweets" (of course that is a singular descriptor that embodies a lot of his often crazy behavior) to implement FP that I am mostly in favor of. I do not fear his presidency like the left, let by Kamala Harris, warned us about. Trump's domestic policy is another thing I'll probably agree with most of it. But that's another subject.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Here you go dumbasses. There’s over 10M uncounted votes just in the western states. Not to mention smaller amounts everywhere else too.

[THE_WIZARD_]

You are assuming every one of those votes goes to Heels Up?

[Jeff Buchanan]

Harris begins the peaceful process of transferring power from the outgoing president to the new one. She just formally and publicly conceded and called Trump to congratulate him.

I wonder what kind of effect the vision of a repeat of January 6th if Trump lost this year's presidential election had on America's voters?

[Dr. Strangelove]

You are assuming every one of those votes goes to Heels Up?

Of course not. Both of their stacks will go up. The graph is clearly trying to imply 65M is the absolute max a Democrat can win and anything higher can only be explained by ELECTION FRAUD.

She currently has 67M votes, not 65M because the graph was probably created this morning and is already out of date. If she wins just half the 10M votes left in these mostly liberal states she'll be closer to 72M. Trump may hit 77M. It'll start looking close to a reverse of 2020.

[THE_WIZARD_]

We need to look at the overall vote numbers vs. 2020 to get a grasp on the "weirdness" of 2020. Maybe Heels Up isn't at a 15 million deficit...but it will still be significant...but the real answer is...she was an awful candidate and got her ass kicked.

[Hannibal]

Cali and AZ are still at like 70% counted. God forbid we actually count the fucking votes (or at least most of them) on election night. We could do it in 1960 but we can’t do it now?

[THE_WIZARD_]

Funny how Texas and Florida can count all the votes quickly but Nevada and Arizona can't?

[lineygoblue]

Funny how Texas and Florida can count all the votes quickly but Nevada and Arizona can't?

same with every county in Michigan, except Wayne County.

They all use the same ballots, and the same counting machinery. Yet 2,000,000 votes can be counted statewide by midnight, but it takes Wayne County nearly 12 hours to count 200,000.

Maybe its the school system's fault .... lousy math teachers ....

[Dr. Strangelove]

Funny how Texas and Florida can count all the votes quickly but Nevada and Arizona can't?

Florida allows for mail ballots to be counted well in advance of polls closing so that's part of why they're usually so prepared. They have a good system. Mail ballots make up only a small percentage of all the votes in Texas. I don't know the particular laws of each of the western states who have been using mail voting longer than almost anywhere in the east. Utah is only at 64% right now too.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Cali and AZ are still at like 70% counted. God forbid we actually count the fucking votes (or at least most of them) on election night. We could do it in 1960 but we can’t do it now?

Something I bet no one remembers but the 2004 race wasn't called until 5:30 AM (almost same time as 2024) when Fox called Ohio for Bush. That year exit polls showed Kerry winning by a decent margin in Ohio so people held off on calling it for quite a while.

The 1980 election ridiculously was called at 8:15 eastern time based SOLEY on exit poll info that ABC had. They declared Reagan the winner with like 20 states still voting. Would never happen that early today.

Ah I miss the days when Ohio mattered.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Slotkin the winner per AP now. So a 54-46 Senate at worst if Rosen doesn't pull it out.

EDIT: Sorry, forgot about Gallego. He hasn't officially been called so 55 seats for the Rs still possible.

[lineygoblue]

Stupidnow Jr.

Oh well, at least she'll be in the minority.

She'll do just like Debbie. Go to Washington and find a good place to hide behind Chuck Shumer, and nod her head 'yes' to everything he says.

Good girl. Now go sit in your office until the next presser.