Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[Dr. Strangelove]

Is anyone surprised by the stay? Why would a preliminary injunction be appropriate after it’s been on the market for 6-7 years (or 20). The irreparable harm element is not present.

Well you would also think they could’ve found a couple women who had their health seriously affected by this drug to serve as plaintiffs. Instead they’ve got a couple emergency room doctors whose claim to standing is dubious.

[Jeff Buchanan]

This is a solid article with analysis of why America is "better' - by a lot - supported by hard facts. It's back looking though and it puts in perspective the risks to "better" (than anywhere else on the globe) posed by a social liberal or authoritarian world order. Specifically and forward looking the US has a lot going for it but that's getting undermined by the stupidity of socially liberal politicians down to the lowest levels of government.

Just read though the last dozen or so pages in this thread. It's pretty obvious what the threats are - talent listed them in a post, Wiz posts frequently about the threats and even Hanni's posts, if you can get past his doomsday extremism (heh), should be taken seriously and I do.

Anyway, America remains a great nation despite what the media tends to depict it as - one crisis after another, one mass shooting after another, rising crime ..... the media's list of bad things going on here in the good ol' USA is long. I'm trending to not paying any attention to that.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Well you would also think they could’ve found a couple women who had their health seriously affected by this drug to serve as plaintiffs

Just spit-balling here but that's probably because there aren't many. A quick review of drug safety data demonstrates the abortion pill is safer than most:

Data analyzed by CNN shows mifepristone is even safer than some common, low-risk prescription drugs, including penicillin and Viagra. There were five deaths associated with mifepristone use for every 1 million people in the US who have used the drug since its approval in 2000, according to the US Food and Drug Administration as of last summer. That’s a death rate of 0.0005%.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/15/healt...-dg/index.html

[iam416]

DSL:

The lack of actual harm is germane, but more to the point—there isn’t some emergency “irreparable harm” need to allow the injunction to remain in place because, e.g., the plaintiffs waited 20 years. Surely they can wait a few months.

Alito dissented mostly to throw Kagan’s words back at her. Thomas never grants them.

Buchanan:

The Economist article on how great the US economy is is also worth reading. Greatest country in the world. Truly exceptional. We gotta remember that and keep our eye on the free-market little L liberalism that is the core of this country. Freedom.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Easy access to abortion is a controversial moral issue with religious undertones. It's a polarizing political issue. My view is the choice of aborting a fetus (up to 13-15 weeks) should be a personal one. Getting an abortion after 15 weeks is another story. IOW, the courts made the absolutely right decision.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Do you think that if the 5th circuit now completely reverses Texas on the merits that the SC might even deny cert? Otherwise this won’t be fully resolved until late next spring.

Think there’s zero chance the 2000 FDA approval gets revoked. Maybe a small chance the 2016 revisions are revoked though.

[AlabamAlum]

Easy access to abortion is a controversial moral issue with religious undertones. It's a polarizing political issue. My view is the choice of aborting a fetus (up to 13-15 weeks) should be a personal one. Getting an abortion after 15 weeks is another story. IOW, the courts made the absolutely right decision.

I don’t think there is any legitimate need to abort a second trimester fetus - outside of a lack of viability. In other words, as the second trimester begins, personal choice should end, and abortions should just be a matter of medical necessity.

[iam416]

Zero chance for 2000. 2.3% for 2016!

[lineygoblue]

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I wonder if Durbin said this with a straight face. If so, he needs to join LightBrain on the political sideline.

But, Illinois politics ...just like Michigan politics,.. keep these nimrods employed.

[Dr. Strangelove]

When did you move to Springfield, Wiz? Not going so well I see

https://www.ozarksfirst.com/crime/springfield-man-charged-with-demanding-meat-at-gunpoint/

[froot loops]

James Woods is an unabashed creep

[Mike]

But he’s 100% correct in this instance.

[Jeff Buchanan]

I don’t think there is any legitimate need to abort a second trimester fetus - outside of a lack of viability. In other words, as the second trimester begins, personal choice should end, and abortions should just be a matter of medical necessity.

As a point of interest in the abortion debate, viability is now generally considered in the medical professions to occur somewhere between 23 and 26 weeks gestation. When SCOTUS overturned Roe v. Wade it did not address the long standing "Red Line" of fetal viability (23-26w) being the standard after which an abortion was illegal. Some states, in attempt to establish when an abortion cannot be performed, occurs when the fetus is a "person," having all rights and privileges of one.... the "personhood" standard. There is reasonable disagreements on when "personhood" begins and what constitutes medical necessity. Those standards have yet to be tested as constitutional in the courts. Thus, the right to abortion during the second trimester has become a medicolegal gray area..... for now.

My daughter, an NP that does genetic counseling in an OB/GYN practice, believes that there are conditions involving genetic abnormalities that will render a newborn viable but with quality of life altering conditions that produce unnecessary suffering. A confounding factor is that viability cannot be responsibly predicted before around 20 weeks gestation. Lots of moving parts in the abortion debate with a definitive, legally defensible "Red Line" yet to be established.

[Mike]

In more serious matters, Bud Light’s Real Woman of Genius and former VP of marketing is on leave and will be replaced. Apparently her little marketing gimmick “didn’t go through the proper channels”.

[AlabamAlum]

Jeff,

While average viability is around 24 weeks, it continues to get earlier. UAB recently had a successful birth at 21 weeks. And honestly that number will continue to lower.

But none of that matters, really.

What I’m saying is that there is much more of a moral issue with terminating a life that has passed the first trimester and that after three months of pregnancy there is no legitimate reason to allow unrestricted abortion.

In the rare cases of late-stage discovered genetic issues or other medical problems that prevent the baby from from living or so adversely impacts the baby’s quality of life, certainly, a medical termination should be allowed, but that would not be under the umbrella of an unrestricted or personal choice abortion. I’m not sure I made that clear enough earlier.