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Originally posted by iam416 View PostI think it's likely they'll be in the 220s.
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Originally posted by Hannibal View Post
You get shit candidates though because the Republican Party establishment hates its base. So the most competent candidates end up acting more like controlled opposition than actual Conservatives when they win. This has been a problem for a long, long time. This cycle, the R base chose ideology over electability, for the most part. In the past, they have done differently and that has resulted in huge do-nothing majorities led by losers like John Boehner and Paul Ryan. You're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't.
DeSantis lies at that intersection between "electability" and "ideology". And he's not even that gifted as a politician. His formula can be copied elsewhere if the Rs are smart enough to do it (spoiler alert: They aren't).
Oz BARELY won the primary. BARELY. The guy he beat would have easily beat the invalid. But, nah....why would we want that? Why would we want an R to win if that R doesn't adhere to the tenets of DJT?
So, yeah, GTFO with "ideological" Rs.Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.
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Originally posted by Hannibal View Post
Enough to hold hearings and whatnot on subjects that the R base cares about. But not much more than that. Given how much power the executive branch has nowadays to implement sweeping changes with the stroke of a pen, the House's power of the purse hardly means anything anymore.
As I said, small victories."in order to lead America you must love America"
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Originally posted by Hannibal View Post
Enough to hold hearings and whatnot on subjects that the R base cares about. But not much more than that. Given how much power the executive branch has nowadays to implement sweeping changes with the stroke of a pen, the House's power of the purse hardly means anything anymore.Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.
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Another take away is that as a whole, the country rejected not only Trumpism, but bat shit crazy election deniers, and QAnon believers. Of course, there are still pockets of that stupidity, but...
Maybe, just maybe, the Republicans will return to some semblance of sanity.
Hannibal and crashcourse must be crushed.I feel like I am watching the destruction of our democracy while my neighbors and friends cheer it on
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So, IMO, this remains a 50/50 country. And there remains a ginormous middle lane for even modest moderates. The Ds are largely beholdent to the Progs -- which is a shame because they are a minority in the party. That's not going to change after this election -- in fact, it'll probably become further entrenched. The Rs are largely beholdent to DJT. That'll either change in the next 2 years or last until he dies.
*IF* Ron DeSantis can oust DJT and do it in a way that embraces the "contributions" he's made to the R party in terms of his populist policy issues (and not nutjob bullshit) and sort of claim even a small swath of the middle-ish area, then the Rs will be in a strong position. The Ds aren't coming back to the middle. Ever. So, if you can give the electorate a sane alternative, then you have a real chance.
Now, it's clear that DJT and DJT toadies are not sane alternatives.
I guess it's also possible that the Ds could "Sista Soulja" the Progs and move more toward Tim Ryan/Joe Manchin. But, I really doubt that. I'd love it. It'd be great for the country, but I just don't see them moderating on anything. I actually hope I'm wrong on that.Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.
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Originally posted by iam416 View Post
Well, they chose ONE ideology -- fealty to an asshat. If they had actually chosen candidates with a principled ideology that doesn't depend on the whims of DJT, it may have been different.
Oz BARELY won the primary. BARELY. The guy he beat would have easily beat the invalid. But, nah....why would we want that? Why would we want an R to win if that R doesn't adhere to the tenets of DJT?
So, yeah, GTFO with "ideological" Rs.Last edited by Hannibal; November 9, 2022, 08:55 AM.
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Did the base turn out for Oz? He lost by 3ish? It wouldn't have taken much to convince independents that, yeah, I'm better than a borderline socialist that can no longer function normally.
Am I "sure" -- no. I do think it very likely, though.
And the "in name only" guy would have voted down the line with the Rs. Including on judiciary issues. But, nah....why would you want someone who isn't a DJT toadie?Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.
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Originally posted by Hannibal View Post
What makes you so sure that the other guy would have actually beaten Fetterman? The base would have never turned out for that Bush legacy RINO swamp creature.
Too bad for you, but the Repubs need your so called RINOs.
Your ideology is as bad as the far left Progs.I feel like I am watching the destruction of our democracy while my neighbors and friends cheer it on
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Originally posted by iam416 View PostThe Ds are largely beholdent to the Progs.
You weren't an R-lean back when the country had six years of Bush + an R Congress in both houses and the country did nothing but get more Liberal. If you had been, maybe you would appreciate this frustration more.Last edited by Hannibal; November 9, 2022, 09:09 AM.
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The Michigan GOP has no bench of great candidates of possible gubernatorial candidates. They were reduced to their big hope being James Craig, who I'm not sure is a Republican and his sudden transformation into a Trumpian figure didn't fit at all. Plus he turned out to be a terrible politician.
Dixon was by far the best candidate they could have picked, but she was terrible at raising money and was facing a great politician like Big Gretch.
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It's really going to be this simple for the Rs -- either rid themselves of DJT or lose. It's clear to me that, by a small margin, the country has a stronger distaste for DJT crazy as opposed to Prog crazy. It may not be much, but elections are won on the margins -- look at how many seats the Ds will win with 51-52%.
And I think it's going to have to be done with force. And I think it will cause the Rs a fair amount of short-term pain. But, last night armed DeSantis with the force needed. Now he's got to figure out how to thread the needle. If he can do it, then I think the Rs ultimately control the government. If he can't, the Ds will continue to win the Executive, modest control in the House and have a fighting chance in the Senate (though, as noted, 2024 is looking brutal...but certainly nothing that DJT can't fuck up).Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.
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