Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[Jeff Buchanan]

They have the documents back, no need to charge unless there is some more information.

This is THE salient point in all of this if you can get by the whataboutisms and politicized charges and counter charges. I'm no legal scholar but the search appears to be legal to me. IMO, that dilutes the claims that the search is a politically motivated witch hunt. As DSL has offered in response to AA's concerns when a former president has behaved so egregiously in the handling of classified material, do you just overlook this? I know, Hillary. Those are the kinds of whataboutisms I'm trying to get passed. Trump's behavior in this entire classified material debacle is beyond the pale. He needs to be held accountable and getting very publicly outed does that. I also agree that a criminal prosecution may not happen nor should it. However, I'm leaning toward an indictment.

[THE_WIZARD_]

Listen Boy George...take yer ghey shit to the Buckeye thread...and while yer at it...

Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma chameleon
You come and go, you come and go
Loving would be easy if your colors were like my dreams
Red, gold, and green, red, gold, and green

[Jeff Buchanan]

Lol ..... fuck-off. Boy George? Singing Karma Karma .... chameleon? You should be kilt for that.

[THE_WIZARD_]

...don't ignore your feelings JB...

[lineygoblue]

Seconded, thirded and fourthed.

[THE_WIZARD_]

liney:

....you....light up my life...

[crashcourse]

so 184 classified documents and 25 top secret documents

all of which trump had the authority to declassify

already the catchword is going to be prosecute him/them for blocking the process not for any actual evidence that he stole these documents willing for espionage or finacial purposes

if there is no espionage or financial gain-- proof case dismissed

if its a process crime here we go again same old federal playbook--no crime buyt you got in our way so were prosecuting. what a joke.

abortion may have been a viable issue that brought the dems back in but now you pissed off 95% of tax paying americans plus you pissed off his base by breaking into his house.

You just gave him all the ammo he's gonna need.

[THE_WIZARD_]

...

[Dr. Strangelove]

Trump CAN declassify anything he wants…

…While he’s in office. And there’s a process for that. There would be records and an official order somewhere. He can’t stand alone in a room, perform the sign of the crucifix, and voila, documents declassified. He also can’t grant security clearances to anyone after leaving office.

[THE_WIZARD_]

So I expect criminal charges very soon...

[AlabamAlum]

Ok, let's say you're running the Department of Justice. The National Archives informs you that the former President took highly classified information with him when he left the White House, including at least 25 documents marked "top secret". He's essentially keeping them unsecured in banker's boxes scattered around his house/social club, mixed in with mementos and scrapbook material. The Director of the National Archives tells you the former President is very angry that the FBI was told about any of this and he is asserting executive privileges and forbidding the FBI any permission to sort through the materials. Months of legal wrangling occur and Biden is forced to get involved to wave away Trump's privlege claim. The President's lawyers sign sworn statements that there are no more secret documents at his house but when you show up with a subpoena to look, you find many, many more. Then another month later you get a tip from someone on the inside that there's still a lot more stuff that wasn't turned over on your previous search (this last part is speculative but they clearly had reason to believe there was more to be found, they found stuff, and cited obstruction as a charge in the warrant). Perhaps on the security video you have, you've noticed people who have no security clearance are looking through the boxes.

If a search warrant is unacceptable under any circumstances, what are your alternative solutions here?

EDIT: And I've said today and said it weeks ago, I don't see prosecution here (of Trump) being a good idea unless there was something really really detrimental to national security in those documents.

I am not opposed to how this transpired or the possible need of it; rather, just concerned for it becoming something we continually see down the road if the documents are truly sensitive and potentially damaging to the US or her interests.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Wiz-

If you don’t know me by now
You will never, never, never know me
OoOoOoooooo….

[THE_WIZARD_]

DSL taking the ghey serenades to an unprecedented level...

Tell me now, baby, is he good to you?
And can he do to you the things that I do? Oh no
I can take you higher
Oh, oh, oh, I'm on fire

[Dr. Strangelove]

Wiz-

You’re still the one I want to talk to in bed
Still the one that turns my head
We’re still havin’ fun, and you’re still the one!

[THE_WIZARD_]

:::backs slowly out of the thread....then runs like hell:::