Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[Obi-Jon]

The real question for Trump is why did he take those specific documents? He could probably explain away his kissy face letters to NoKo, but nuclear weapon documents is a whole different animal.

I suspect Traitor Trump was going to sell a good chunk of them as his real estate loans come due over the next couple of years.

[Jeff Buchanan]

That said, search warrants and the like served on a former president are a bit chilling.

Only to the extent that you have confidence that a former president is and was by nature an honorable man. DJT was not and if he ends up being indicted and convicted it will be exactly what he has wrought upon himself by his inexcusably dishonorable conduct while in office and after that outside of it. Nothing more, nothing less.

BTW, AA, you'll be overjoyed to know that I learned what honorable men those of Scott's heritage can be from binge-watching the "chick flick," Outlander. I can see Trump as the scallywag Captain Stephen Bonnet but not as James or Murtagh Fraser.

[AlabamAlum]

lol@Outlander

[AlabamAlum]

Only to the extent that you have confidence that a former president is and was by nature an honorable man. DJT was not and if he ends up being indicted and convicted it will be exactly what he has wrought upon himself by his inexcusably dishonorable conduct while in office and after that outside of it. Nothing more, nothing less.

BTW, AA, you'll be overjoyed to know that I learned what honorable men those of Scott's heritage can be from binge-watching the "chick flick," Outlander. I can see Trump as the scallywag Captain Stephen Bonnet but not as James or Murtagh Fraser.

Jeff,

No, nothing about honor, just the use of indictments, subpoenas, search warrants (etc) as political weapons.

[THE_WIZARD_]

You know, if you won't even entertain the possibility that Trump did anything wrong or that any of this is his own fault, then maybe stop getting offended when froot or CGVT calls you a Trumper.

Yes he violated a law. I said charge him. Did you miss that? I also said while you are at it...raid Hillary and Hunter...then file charges there as well.

[THE_WIZARD_]

No shit -- it's almost as if Liz Cheney doesn't actually have principles.

Liz has an extreme case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

[froot loops]

We are probably never going to know why he was hoarding those documents or what they were. It seems like raid was probably necessary to get the documents back, but unless they have some sort of evidence he was trying to do something with them, give him a strongly worded rebuke like they did to Hillary Clinton. They have the documents back, no need to charge unless there is some more information.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Jeff,

No, nothing about honor, just the use of indictments, subpoenas, search warrants (etc) as political weapons.

Ok, let's say you're running the Department of Justice. The National Archives informs you that the former President took highly classified information with him when he left the White House, including at least 25 documents marked "top secret". He's essentially keeping them unsecured in banker's boxes scattered around his house/social club, mixed in with mementos and scrapbook material. The Director of the National Archives tells you the former President is very angry that the FBI was told about any of this and he is asserting executive privileges and forbidding the FBI any permission to sort through the materials. Months of legal wrangling occur and Biden is forced to get involved to wave away Trump's privlege claim. The President's lawyers sign sworn statements that there are no more secret documents at his house but when you show up with a subpoena to look, you find many, many more. Then another month later you get a tip from someone on the inside that there's still a lot more stuff that wasn't turned over on your previous search (this last part is speculative but they clearly had reason to believe there was more to be found, they found stuff, and cited obstruction as a charge in the warrant). Perhaps on the security video you have, you've noticed people who have no security clearance are looking through the boxes.

If a search warrant is unacceptable under any circumstances, what are your alternative solutions here?

EDIT: And I've said today and said it weeks ago, I don't see prosecution here (of Trump) being a good idea unless there was something really really detrimental to national security in those documents.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Also I've criticized the government in the past for over-classifying stuff. A lot of what Wikileaks dumped to the world was silly frivolous stuff that had no business being considered a state secret. So I don't know. Something marked "HCS" could be totally unimportant because the govt has a habit of being overly secretive. But then, I don't know why Trump would take boring, uninteresting stuff with him.

[lineygoblue]

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[froot loops]

It checks out

[THE_WIZARD_]

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heh

Funny because it's probably not far from actuality...

[Dr. Strangelove]

It IS funny but also a bit ironic, because that's the quality of legal documents his lawyers file.

[THE_WIZARD_]

STFU

[Dr. Strangelove]

Wiz-

Singin' and jinglin' the jango
Floatin' like the heavens above
It looks like muskrat love