Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[Hannibal]

Hannibal is learning the wrong lesson from Trump, it isn't the "RINOs" fault. To win, you need a coalition that expands the possible voting pool. That means courting voters he derisively calls RINOS. It means trying to get Hispanic voters. Basically they need to run the George W. Bush playbook of campaigning and steer clear of the W playbook of governing.

This coalition that you speak of is precisely what Trump built when he got the nomination. He broke the party record for primary votes without talking about "muh family values" or "what would Jesus do?" or without presenting himself credibly as an anti-abortion candidate. There is a huge common ground to be found with a platform based on nationalism and policies that ignore political correctness in favor of common sense.

The Republican Party has already tried the George W. approach every election since 1992. It has worked once in six tries. The only time that it worked was when Bush barely defeated an awful candidate in his reelection bid. He lost the popular vote in 2000. Nobody has ever gotten 50% of the Hispanic vote or anywhere close to that number when it comes to the black vote. The Republicans supported Amnesty 1.0 (Simpson-Mazzoli) and George H.W. Bush won a lower percentage of the Hispanic vote than Reagan. McCain supported amnesty 2.0 and he didn't get close to 50% either. I don't remember Romney ever insulting anyone and he got a lower percentage of the minority vote than Trump is currently polling at.

George W. is the gold standard of pandering by Republicans and he got less than 50% of the Hispanic vote. You can't pander more than he did. Any Republican who still thinks that pandering to minorities is going to win him votes is a gullible sucker. Unfortunately, Paul Ryan, John Kasich, Mitt Romney, etc all fall into that category. I would give anything for the Democrats to all be that gullible and stupid.

[froot loops]

This coalition that you speak of is precisely what Trump built when he got the nomination. He broke the party record for primary votes without talking about "muh family values" or "what would Jesus do?" or without presenting himself credibly as an anti-abortion candidate. There is a huge common ground to be found with a platform based on nationalism and anti-political correctness.

The Republican Party has already tried the George W. approach. It has worked once in six tries. The only time that it worked was when Bush barely defeated an awful candidate in his reelection bid. Nobody has ever gotten 50% of the Hispanic vote or anywhere close to that number when it comes to the black vote. The Republicans supported Amnesty 1.0 (Simpson-Mazzoli) and George H.W. Bush won a lower percentage of the Hispanic vote than Reagan. McCain supported amnesty 2.0 and he didn't get close to 50% either. I don't remember Romney ever insulting anyone and he got a lower percentage of the minority vote than Trump is currently polling at.

George W. is the gold standard of pandering by Republicans and he got less than 50% of the Hispanic vote. You can't pander more than he did. Any Republican who still thinks that pandering to minorities is going to win him votes is a gullible sucker.

Then there should be no issue for Trump in the General election then.

[entropy]

IMO.. you needed 4-5 GWB's in a row to change Hispanic voters minds.. While he supported a lot of the platforms important to that demographic, most in his party did not. The trust has to be built over time.

[Hannibal]

He will have all kinds of issues if he doesn't start running a legit campaign.

[entropy]

History will view Mondale vs Reagan as close compared to what we are about to see..

[iam416]

Heh. Trump will win more than 13 electoral votes. I also think he'll be above 40.6%. He'll probably be around 150 w/ 42-43%.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Are there states that McCain won that Trump could conceivably lose?

[iam416]

Missouri and Arizona for sure, IMO.

[Prime2]

Many almost got their wish, Trump nearly assassinated at rally in Vegas.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/21/man-tried-to-grab-cops-gun-to-kill-trump-at-las-vegas-rally-authorities-say.html

[entropy]

Many almost got their wish, Trump nearly assassinated at rally in Vegas.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...ities-say.html

just pathetic.. people's inability to deal with others whom they disagree with is frightening.

[Mike]

And he was British. Said that was the best way to get a gun. Obviously he doesn't know much about the US.

[Wild Hoss]

Many almost got their wish, Trump nearly assassinated at rally in Vegas.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...ities-say.html

Illegal immigrants!

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[The Oracle]

Put a wall around England and ban all Brits!!!

[lineygoblue]

I thought one of the conditions of Britain's surrender at Yorktown was that they were banned from America ... You mean we allow them here?

preposterous, I say ...

[Hannibal]

Are there states that McCain won that Trump could conceivably lose?

Last I saw the electoral map looks exactly like it did 4 years ago.