Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[lineygoblue]

Scary thing to consider is that she likely will run at some point. And millions will vote for her.

[Tom W]

The Dems nominating AOC in 2024 would just be beyond the critical mass in which the middle 70% of this country needs to detonate. Some serious set of national catastrophes would have to occur for that to happen.

[Whitley]

1) If Biden decides not to run (and he shouldn't run) it will be very late in the game. Biden knows he is vulnerable that is why he is trying to move the primary calendar via DNC around to one more favorable to him. Like having Michigan first instead of Iowa (where he finished 4th). Most likely he will announce he is running in 2024 after the New Year.

2) Assuming Biden doesn't run. The establishment will be searching for another person. Harris was soundly rejected last time around and given her performance hard to see her getting the backing there.

Mayor Pete can't attract African American voters. He doesn't actually stand for anything (much like Harris and Biden). Everything he says is a word salad. I don't think he is the answer and the Harris ppl really don't like him (part of the reason he is transportation sec and not a higher profile cabinet position).

Manchin or Sinema? GTFO.

It would be a very late in the game if Biden decides not to run. The second Biden says he is not going to run all chaos will break loose. The nominee would be someone that is well know and able to put an organization together in a hurry.


The Dem voters (and this includes normies liberals as well).are to be looking for someone with actual plans and ideas. Someone that they know is going to fight for them. Even if some of those big plans don't happen. There has been a shocking lack of fight and leadership from the Biden administration. Of course, when you don't believe in much you are not going to fight hard.

Sen Warren could fit that bill. She made a ton of mistakes in her first go around. There would have to be some healing with progressives that supported Sen Sanders but I think they could be healed. I do have reservations because it seemed like she was reactionary and after she hired a lot of HRC and Harris ppl she leaned into the me too/woke side of things.

Sen Sanders would run if Biden doesn't. And he would be a heavy favorite.

Even if Biden runs he will get a legit challenger. And he knows that he is very much wounded. That is why when Sen Sanders got an invite for dinner at the WH the day after Sent Sanders said he would not run if Biden was running.

In the case that Biden runs (and 71% in a recent poll said he should not and around 65% said Trump should not run either). It might be someone like Marianne Williamson or Nina Turner. Or it could be someone like Sen Warnock (assuming he beats Walker).

[THE_WIZARD_]

You think the Progs have it made under Biden...wait and see what it would be like under Crazy Bernie...

[Hannibal]

Mayor Pete would be a good candidate for the Dems. He is deep into Left Wing woke politics but he is good at saying nothing. Being able to advance the agenda while looking good and speaking in platitudes was the winning formula for the Obama years.

Elizabeth Warren would guarantee a win for just about any Republican, including Trump. You couldn't come up with a better stereotype for an unlikeable, cranky old Karen if you tried. She is "America's Ex Wife".

[lineygoblue]

The Dems nominating AOC in 2024 would just be beyond the critical mass in which the middle 70% of this country needs to detonate. Some serious set of national catastrophes would have to occur for that to happen.

I don't think they'll run her in 2024, but I could see her testing the primaries in '28 or '32.

[lineygoblue]

Mayor Pete would be a good candidate for the Dems. He is deep into Left Wing woke politics but he is good at saying nothing. Being able to advance the agenda while looking good and speaking in platitudes was the winning formula for the Obama years.

Exactly. All Buttygig needs to do is get the liberal media behind him, and he's likely in the WH. That will not be hard to do. He checks all the boxes like Obama did.

And if R's respond with McCain/Romney-like candidates, it will be even easier.

[Whitley]

Mayor Pete would be a good candidate for the Dems. He is deep into Left Wing woke politics but he is good at saying nothing. Being able to advance the agenda while looking good and speaking in platitudes was the winning formula for the Obama years.

1) Obama is a very skilled politician that in his two presidential runs was able to bring out young people and attracted huge amounts of AA voters. Mayor Pete polled around 0-1 percent among AAs. He was funded by billionaires.

2) Mayor Pete is nowhere as skilled a politician as Obama or Bill Clinton (tbf those two are generational level pols). He doesn't have the gravitas that pol needs on the national level.

[Whitley]

You think the Progs have it made under Biden...wait and see what it would be like under Crazy Bernie...

What progressive policies has Biden actually fought for?

[Hannibal]

1) Obama is a very skilled politician that in his two presidential runs was able to bring out young people and attracted huge amounts of AA voters. Mayor Pete polled around 0-1 percent among AAs. He was funded by billionaires.

2) Mayor Pete is nowhere as skilled a politician as Obama or Bill Clinton (tbf those two are generational level pols). He doesn't have the gravitas that pol needs on the national level.

Mayor Pete may have been funded by billionaires, but it's those same billionaires that are controlling the country's propaganda machines and all of the political messaging. Point being -- he will say things that align perfectly with the Black Rock and Soros-approved messaging that today's kids are getting watching Disney and Netflix. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss his ability to turn out the youth vote. In fact, I think that he's probably the best candidate being mentioned here to do that. He's gay and he has even adopted a child. It doesn't get cooler than that.

[Obi-Jon]

Mayor Pete will get no closer to the White House than begging for the VP spot after the primaries. Far too much blind hatred of alphabet for him to be elected to a national position.

Liz Warren will be the Bernie Sanders of '24, making a big splash but going nowhere.

Kamala is relegated to speaking at community college commencements.

Sanders will be in an old folks home by '24 with a bowl of oatmeal in his lap.

All the rest, like JB Pritzker or Phil Murphy have no name recognition and a steep uphill slog.

The Dems need someone to come out of nowhere (like Obama did). Someone who can speak with the Avg Joe, not at them. Otherwise they need to start looking at 2028 right now as their next opportunity. (Unless Very Stable Genius runs...then all bets are off.)

[Whitley]

Mayor Pete may have been funded by billionaires, but it's those same billionaires that are controlling the country's propaganda machines and all of the political messaging. Point being -- he will say things that align perfectly with the Black Rock and Soros-approved messaging that today's kids are getting watching Disney and Netflix. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss his ability to turn out the youth vote. In fact, I think that he's probably the best candidate being mentioned here to do that. He's gay and he has even adopted a child. It doesn't get cooler than that.

Pete doesn't stand for anything. And the under 45 crowd sees through that. Even in his best showing with the under 45 crowd he only got 21% of the vote while Sen Sanders got 42% (that was in New Hampshire or Nevada).

He also didn't register a blip with AAs or Hispanic voters.

Don't underestimate legacy media, but you have to show something on election day.

The reason that youth stick with Sen Sanders is that he talks about issues they care about (imagine that), has been consistent on them for years AND they know he will fight for them.

[Whitley]

It took President Obama pulling strings behind the scenes at the 11th hour to pull the establishment behind Biden. And the endorsement of Clyburn (who was perplexed that Sanders did not go for his endorsement) that pulled Biden into the nomination.

Biden doesn't have a natural constituency which is why his numbers keep falling and not bottoming out.

[Da Geezer]

What progressive policies has Biden actually fought for?

You will just say, "he didn't actually fight for that..." but how about:

1. Regulating the oil and gas industry to the point where there is no financial incentive to search for new resources. Pricing gasoline to $ 5.00/gal and moving to $ 10 with the intent of only green energy being used.
2. Totally opening the southern border to unlimited illegal immigration. Neutering the agencies tasked with immigration control. Letting the cartels control the border in terms of giving illegals passage and allowing fentanyl and other drugs easy access to US markets.
3. BBB and other spending initiatives.
4. MMT has ruled the day in terms of economics, until just recently when the election looms.
5. Appointing a SC Justice who is a left-wing ideologue.

The problem is not that he hasn't "fought for" progressive policies, it is that he enacted those policies and the country is going to shit. If you substitute Butt-itch-itch or Fauxohantas for Biden, the result would be equally bad. What you are arguing about is how best to choose a candidate that can get elected by hiding progressive policy ideas from the electorate.

[Hannibal]

What looks to me to have gotten Biden the nomination is the realization that Bernie wouldn't beat Trump. There were a lot of "anyone but Trump -- er, um unless we're talking about Bernie Sanders" voters in the last election.