Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[Hannibal]

Minimizing the number of offspring that the "young white men" in that video produce would be a good thing. Unfortunately, that's probably not how that will work out.

Don't worry. The men in that video aren't going to reproduce.

[AlabamAlum]

Both sides have a long history of questioning election results. Let’s not forget that Al Gore didn’t actually concede in a timely and graceful fashion. Hell, he carried it to the FLSpCt. And to this day, his supporters will mention hanging chads and shenanigans with the results and ruling.

But the pearl-clutching by the Left at the Trumpsters not accepting that it was a fair result unravels the very fabric of democracy or some such.

[Mike]

A lot of folks thought there was funny business in 2004 as well, though to a lesser extent than 2000 and 2020. Bottom line is everyone hates to lose a close one. In sports, they usually point to a dubious call by the refs as the reason for the loss. Same happens in politics but rather than the referee that draws the ire of the loser, it's election officials who clearly didn't run a clean election.

[Dr. Strangelove]

IMO, what makes Abrams antics at the very least equal to DJT's is that she insists that 'race' was a factor in her loss, and that a "racist" Georgia SOS skewed the election results, causing her to lose. And for those reasons, she refuses to concede the election to this day.

Trump supposedly started some sort of 'insurrection' where people with antlers and furs stormed thru the Capitol and took numerous selfies, causing our democracy to teeter on the edge of oblivion. One unarmed protester was shot and killed by an over zealous public servant.

But, that's no big deal.

Fine, you get a bullet list

* Trump filed 60+ frivolous, lawsuits in countless states and tried to get the Supreme Court to intervene and declare him the winner.
* Trump sent out goon squads to a dozen or so states to drum up half-assed "evidence" of election fraud that mostly took the form of worthless affidavits from liquored up or tinfoil wearing Trump hyper-partisans.
* Trump gave a platform to absolute batshit conspiracy theories, including that Venezuela was rigging our elections via Dominion voting machines, even in states & counties that don't use Dominion voting machines. His team held daily press conference to spew idiotic nonsense
* Trump launched an intense pressure campaign on even the most obscure local officials, making personal phone calls to county election officials, demanding they either find him the votes or refuse to certify the election.
* Trump invited into the Oval Office people who were presenting him with crackpot ideas about declaring martial law, ordering the military to seize voting machines, and eventually the notion that Mike Pence has the singular power to reject any electoral votes he wishes. That began a pressure campaign on Mike Pence that was relentless in the week right before Jan. 6.
* It seems pretty clear that the White House was working with Jeffrey Clark at the DOJ to try and fire the Department's leadership, install Clark as Acting Attorney General, who would then declare that the election had been stolen, an investigation was underway, blah blah blah. This only fell apart because too many people at DOJ threatened to immediately resign but also (allegedly) the entire White House Counsel's office too.
* Trump urged tens of thousands of supporters to be in DC on Jan. 6, hinting that something "big" would happen. After 2 hours of his most loyal supporters haranguing the crowd about talk of fraud, and how they needed to prepare for battle, and now was the decisive moment, and blah blah blah, Trump pointed at the Capitol building and said the people down the street are stealing the election. Why don't we march (I'm going too) down there and let them know what we think of them?
* Trump will obviously never concede and gets interviewed far more often than Abrams does so obviously, he's got a platform to continue bitching about this every single day. And he does. You cannot get an endorsement from Donald Trump without parroting his election fraud bullshit.

I do not believe whatever Abrams actually did is comparable to all that.

[lineygoblue]

I don't like bullets. I don't read them.

If I want to be reminded of all the accusations against Trump, I'll tune in to pMSNBC or The View.

[Da Geezer]

Fine, you get a bullet list

* Trump filed 60+ frivolous, lawsuits in countless states and tried to get the Supreme Court to intervene and declare him the winner.
* Trump sent out goon squads to a dozen or so states to drum up half-assed "evidence" of election fraud that mostly took the form of worthless affidavits from liquored up or tinfoil wearing Trump hyper-partisans.
* Trump gave a platform to absolute batshit conspiracy theories, including that Venezuela was rigging our elections via Dominion voting machines, even in states & counties that don't use Dominion voting machines. His team held daily press conference to spew idiotic nonsense
* Trump launched an intense pressure campaign on even the most obscure local officials, making personal phone calls to county election officials, demanding they either find him the votes or refuse to certify the election.
* Trump invited into the Oval Office people who were presenting him with crackpot ideas about declaring martial law, ordering the military to seize voting machines, and eventually the notion that Mike Pence has the singular power to reject any electoral votes he wishes. That began a pressure campaign on Mike Pence that was relentless in the week right before Jan. 6.
* It seems pretty clear that the White House was working with Jeffrey Clark at the DOJ to try and fire the Department's leadership, install Clark as Acting Attorney General, who would then declare that the election had been stolen, an investigation was underway, blah blah blah. This only fell apart because too many people at DOJ threatened to immediately resign but also (allegedly) the entire White House Counsel's office too.
* Trump urged tens of thousands of supporters to be in DC on Jan. 6, hinting that something "big" would happen. After 2 hours of his most loyal supporters haranguing the crowd about talk of fraud, and how they needed to prepare for battle, and now was the decisive moment, and blah blah blah, Trump pointed at the Capitol building and said the people down the street are stealing the election. Why don't we march (I'm going too) down there and let them know what we think of them?
* Trump will obviously never concede and gets interviewed far more often than Abrams does so obviously, he's got a platform to continue bitching about this every single day. And he does. You cannot get an endorsement from Donald Trump without parroting his election fraud bullshit.

I do not believe whatever Abrams actually did is comparable to all that.

That is an exhaustive list of "absolute batshit conspiracy theories" of the left. Thanks for writing them all in one place.

[Dr. Strangelove]

That is an exhaustive list of "absolute batshit conspiracy theories" of the left. Thanks for writing them all in one place.

You're completely wrong, but there's no reason to ever expect anything else from you

[iam416]

Again, the Abrams stuff was fundamentally local and backwards-looking. The Chairman's and The Party Jim Crow Voter Suppression bullshit is national and forward-looking. It seeks to delegitimize any election in any state that passed laws The Party disapproves of...and, of course, where The Party loses.

That's the far worse thing, IMO, on the The Party's side of the ledger.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Both sides have a long history of questioning election results. Let’s not forget that Al Gore didn’t actually concede in a timely and graceful fashion. Hell, he carried it to the FLSpCt. And to this day, his supporters will mention hanging chads and shenanigans with the results and ruling.

But the pearl-clutching by the Left at the Trumpsters not accepting that it was a fair result unravels the very fabric of democracy or some such.

No, Gore didn't concede gracefully. But would you not concede that Trump went way beyond anyone before him?

[iam416]

That said, I rather love the fact that The Chairman's soon-to-be new press secretary called the 2016 election a "stolen election" and "a deplorable illegitimate president." She also, obviously, said about Abrams loss to Kemp..."Reminder: Brian Kemp stole the gubernatorial election from Georgians and Stacey Abrams."

I would think it's a bad look for The Chairman and The Party, but, of course, she's an AA women, so you know, identity politics trumps all. And, let's be honest -- she's just echoing The Party's positions and, of course, The Party's ancillary position is that it's ok for The Party to scream "stolen election" if it's "true".

[Mike]

Clearly Trump's reaction to his loss and actions from Election Day 2020 to Inauguration Day are the worst of the bunch. Will be interesting to see how long that fact remains true.

[Mike]

I would think it's a bad look for The Chairman and The Party, but, of course, she's a lesbian AA woman, so you know, identity politics trumps all. And, let's be honest -- she's just echoing The Party's positions and, of course, The Party's ancillary position is that it's ok for The Party to scream "stolen election" if it's "true".

She actually has two unassailable qualities.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Clearly Trump's reaction to his loss and actions from Election Day 2020 to Inauguration Day are the worst of the bunch. Will be interesting to see how long that fact remains true.

Thank you! Well stated enough that I'm upgrading you from a Biden aviators gif to a Barry O'bama one!

[Dr. Strangelove]

She actually has two unassailable qualities.

Thought you were talking about AOC here for a second

[AlabamAlum]

No, Gore didn't concede gracefully. But would you not concede that Trump went way beyond anyone before him?

Sure. No doubt. I was mainly talking the the respective candidates’ supporters. But Abrams is picking up the baton and trying to run with it.