Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[iam416]

Well, look, it’s an idea so detached from the bases of criminal law and criminal culpability that you’ve wasted too much time discussing it. It’s barely even an issue for civil liability, but I could at least make an argument for it, in part.

It’s also racist if you measure racism by outcomes.

So, whatever. It won’t be the last almost unbelievably stupid idea posted here.

[Hannibal]

Those very fucking expensive, very very fucking heavy gun safes can be broken into in a matter of 5 min, just a couple guys, a sledge hammer and a prybar


So fuck off with your faulty assumptions.

Just an opinion -- I think that forcing somebody to go through that effort at least makes for a reasonable precaution. At any rate, the right to gun ownership and at least some responsibility for what happens if that gun gets in the hands of an underage psychopath have to go hand in hand.

[Kapture1]

Just an opinion -- I think that forcing somebody to go through that effort at least makes for a reasonable precaution. At any rate, the right to gun ownership and at least some responsibility for what happens if that gun gets in the hands of an underage psychopath have to go hand in hand.

A few pages ago that was my question, still my question today.

Do you not know your own son is disturbed? Are you not paying any attention? That's criminal negligence IMO

[Jeff Buchanan]

Before we get to the arguments about locking firearms and ammunition safely in your home and how easy it still is to open any of these gun cabinets, I'm still asking this fundamental question: who knew what and when?

This was a preventable crime and a horrible one at that. FFS, they had the kid in a place where this whole thing could have been prevented and with the weapon he was about to use there as well.

Tonight on the PBS Evening News I watched, there was a line-up of teachers talking about lighting candles and being their to support each other. Fucking bull-shit. What needs to be happening is for those who knew or should have known what could happen with this kid take ACTION. What did they do? Fucking NOTHING ...... and the kid goes back to class, takes his 9mm out of his back pack and kills people.

If I had been in the office with the parents and the kid, I was in charge of that meeting and suspected there was a chance this young man could do something bad - like, you know, undertake violent action with the potential of injuring or killing people people AND such evidence being right the fuck out there in front of them, I'd call in the sheriff and have the boy taken into custody, strip searched, including his back pack, well, what do you know, there's a 9mm hand gun in here. Murdered kids and a teacher get to enjoy the holidays with their families instead of taking a dirt nap.

I'm pretty sure what was going through the minds of administrators: is it legal to call the cops on this kid? What penalties am I opening myself or the school system up to if I take action? We are a country of cowards who are unwilling to act on a suspicion that violence or a killing could happen. They'll pass on that action while wringing their hands about whether or not by calling the cops I'm in compliance with school procedures or the law.

These were preventable killings because school authorities properly confronted the kid and his parents..... and then pussied out. They knew or should have known, there was a chance of violence being perpetrated by this kid. If anything needs to happen, it's not holding candle light vigils for the deceased. It's establishing procedures for school officials that are within the law (change it if needed) to initiate the apprehension, search of person, belongings and residence. I'd go for custody (within the laws of the state) until the circumstance is deescalated and, in this case, the kid is placed into an appropriate setting where he will get the treatment he needs.

We can debate the roll of parents in situations like this leading up to the occurrence and how they should have parented better. At this point and with too many of these school shootings going down when red flags are present, if there is reasonable suspicion that violence may occur at the hands of some whacko kid and a school official or a parent (not these two knuckle heads it would appear), law enforcement should be able to legally intervene until such suspicions are thoroughly investigated and the threat eliminated. Good God, I could go on .....

[CGVT]

Just an opinion -- I think that forcing somebody to go through that effort at least makes for a reasonable precaution. At any rate, the right to gun ownership and at least some responsibility for what happens if that gun gets in the hands of an underage psychopath have to go hand in hand.

I think that a precaution that a reasonable person would see as adequate would suffice. Leaving a handgun in an unlocked drawer or in a the glove box of a truck whether locked or not is not a reasonable precaution.

If a person does not take reasonable precautions and his gun is stolen a used in a crime that person should be held accountable.

As I said. Registration of all fire arms to establish a chain of custody so that irresponsible gun owners can be held accountable. No harm to any law abiding citizen.

[iam416]

Again, and very fortunately, we have no criminal laws that punish a law-abiding citizen for getting a gun stolen from a locked glove box. Nor will we. Thankfully, law-abiding citizens aren’t criminally liable for the acts of criminals.

[CGVT]

Irresponsible gun owners should be held accountable. We are seeing it in Michigan right now. Hopefully we will see it more often.

[Dr. Strangelove]

The parents are apparently fugitives. They still haven't turned themselves in, despite their attorney claiming they plan to do so. Cops say they withdrew $4000 from an ATM this morning and have turned their cell phones off.

[lineygoblue]

They've also been receiving death threats.

[foxhopper]

The parents are apparently fugitives. They still haven't turned themselves in, despite their attorney claiming they plan to do so. Cops say they withdrew $4000 from an ATM this morning and have turned their cell phones off.

Hard to believe they got 4k from an ATM. Even if it was 2 grand each on seperate accounts.

Waiting to hear their social security numbers and blood type tomorrow.

Meanwhile, haven't heard a peep about the black kid who recently shot up a school. Except for him walking out on bail the next day.

And then there is that strange case of an SUV that sounds like drove itself through a parade. Wonder if Ford motor will be sued over that one?

[froot loops]

Before we get to the arguments about locking firearms and ammunition safely in your home and how easy it still is to open any of these gun cabinets, I'm still asking this fundamental question: who knew what and when?

This was a preventable crime and a horrible one at that. FFS, they had the kid in a place where this whole thing could have been prevented and with the weapon he was about to use there as well.

Tonight on the PBS Evening News I watched, there was a line-up of teachers talking about lighting candles and being their to support each other. Fucking bull-shit. What needs to be happening is for those who knew or should have known what could happen with this kid take ACTION. What did they do? Fucking NOTHING ...... and the kid goes back to class, takes his 9mm out of his back pack and kills people.

If I had been in the office with the parents and the kid, I was in charge of that meeting and suspected there was a chance this young man could do something bad - like, you know, undertake violent action with the potential of injuring or killing people people AND such evidence being right the fuck out there in front of them, I'd call in the sheriff and have the boy taken into custody, strip searched, including his back pack, well, what do you know, there's a 9mm hand gun in here. Murdered kids and a teacher get to enjoy the holidays with their families instead of taking a dirt nap.

I'm pretty sure what was going through the minds of administrators: is it legal to call the cops on this kid? What penalties am I opening myself or the school system up to if I take action? We are a country of cowards who are unwilling to act on a suspicion that violence or a killing could happen. They'll pass on that action while wringing their hands about whether or not by calling the cops I'm in compliance with school procedures or the law.

These were preventable killings because school authorities properly confronted the kid and his parents..... and then pussied out. They knew or should have known, there was a chance of violence being perpetrated by this kid. If anything needs to happen, it's not holding candle light vigils for the deceased. It's establishing procedures for school officials that are within the law (change it if needed) to initiate the apprehension, search of person, belongings and residence. I'd go for custody (within the laws of the state) until the circumstance is deescalated and, in this case, the kid is placed into an appropriate setting where he will get the treatment he needs.

We can debate the roll of parents in situations like this leading up to the occurrence and how they should have parented better. At this point and with too many of these school shootings going down when red flags are present, if there is reasonable suspicion that violence may occur at the hands of some whacko kid and a school official or a parent (not these two knuckle heads it would appear), law enforcement should be able to legally intervene until such suspicions are thoroughly investigated and the threat eliminated. Good God, I could go on .....

In hindsight it's very clear the administration blew this one. But I'd caution to be careful with the facts of the case. The administrators' actions are being investigated. But even the most inflammatory facts of what the kid did in the press reports are pretty thin. It seems like they should have reported it to the on site police liason and they should have sent the kid home for the day. They shouldn't have allowed the parents to overrule that. But again, these alleged facts are all very preliminary.

That would have prevented these deaths, I'm not so certain it would have prevented deaths. I don't think its a coincidence the parents bought him this gun as a Black Friday Christmas present and he is killing people less than a week later. He could have got sent home and the comes back later to kill people. He now has access to a gun and he had fantasies about killing people. That's the problem with nearly every one of these mass shootings, if there is a person with fantasies about gunning down a lot of people, it is easy for them to get the weapons to accomplish this goal.

[froot loops]

The parents are apparently fugitives. They still haven't turned themselves in, despite their attorney claiming they plan to do so. Cops say they withdrew $4000 from an ATM this morning and have turned their cell phones off.

They are in custody now, they found them right around Belle Isle.

[foxhopper]

In other news, Chairman Joe says whoops...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...olicy-n1285215

And Mr. Mad Science now a confirmed racist....
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-comments.html

[foxhopper]

They are in custody now, they found them right around Belle Isle.

Probably wanted to hit the casino one last time.

[iam416]

Well, The Chairman was sort of forced to restart the Remain policy by the Courts. He had not followed requisite administrative law procedure in overturning the rule. PDJT lost on similar grounds in several cases in his term.

However, regardless of why it's back, it's 100% the right policy. The Chairman has probably already allowed in, I dunno, 50,000? 100,000? asylum seekers who now just have totshow up at some indeterminate time for their hearing.

But, the Remain policy is, I think, easily my favorite PDJT policy because (a) the reasoning behind it is completely coherent and logical; and (b) as a policy, it's completely sensible. To reiterate, asylum seekers are, allegedly, running from a bad country. Once they reach a good country their objectives have been achieved. Mexico is a good country. The asylum seekers are now safe in Mexico. Asylum seekers have no right to the get to the "best" country.

It'd also be nice if we are able to retain the rules in place over what qualifies as asylum -- namely, that living in bad econonic conditions or high crime places ain't what asylum is for. In fact, if you come to the US you could end up in the same type of place if you venture off to the southside of Chicago.