Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[foxhopper]

I'll take those. Count me in.

Would you take them if you were 20?

[AlabamAlum]

Welcome to Team Sanity, AA and Buchanan. But, sadly, a world in which Mike is amongst the few sane people around is a world that's way to far gone. My plan -- accrue a fuckton of debt getting a ton of nice shit, declare myself a two-spirit and wait for the Progs LGBQTAA+STWS Debt Forgiveness Bill to come down the pike.

As the rightful originator of this school of thought, I am OUTRAGED I didn’t get top billing.

[THE_WIZARD_]

STFU

[Jeff Buchanan]

Would you take them if you were 20?

My wish to partake had to do with Talent's offer of a Banquet Beer and some of them nachos ......

But, to answer the intent of your question, I would. I've argued as idiotic and far from science and the math governments are imposing a bio-state on it's citizens using what are thought to be effective means of controlling the spread of SARS2, that's what's happening. Individual liberties are being restricted globally. Even if this thing ever becomes fully controlled - and I also argue that it won't and moreover, the next one will be just as impactful, liberties lost to socialist governments will be hard to regain.

I've said this dozens of times here. It bears repeating: vaccines work across all population age groups to limit the spread of SARS2. Indisputable fact. Limit the spread of the virus, governments have no basis to tighten the screws. In fact, there's a negative impact at least in countries that have some level of democracy ...... the new case numbers decrease, deaths and hospitalizations decrease, governments eliminate entirely or significantly reduce mitigation measures that inolve limitations to mobility and social interaction. The folks go shopping, eating out, traveling and spending money. To me, given known risk probabilities of these vaccines and only wild speculation of what any increased risk could be long term and the benefits of getting our lives back and restoration and no further erosion of our liberties, outweighs any downsidse. For that reason, I cannot think of too many reasons not to get vaccinated.

[THE_WIZARD_]

WOULD YOU LIKE THEM IN A HOUSE? WOULD YOU LIKE THEM WITH A MOUSE?

[foxhopper]

My wish to partake had to do with Talent's offer of a Banquet Beer and some of them nachos ......

Sorry. Misunderstood. My question was aimed toward the DNA vax you were talking about being developed.

But you seem to trust everything you read from the scientist experts so I already know the answer.

[Dr. Strangelove]

The DNA vaccine is so dangerous

[Kapture1]

A few things more ignorant than lumping all vaccine apprehensive people into the group of stupid that doesn't believe in vaccines.


Lots of reasons people haven't, including not "believing in vaccines" but that's like 23% of the unvaccinated according to a recent study by the Kaiser Family Foundation, interesting findings about race and ethnicity and trust in government. In this case, lots of blacks and Hispanics have taken the conservative viewpoint of trust in authority, but there is a pretty diverse list of reasons.

[Dr. Strangelove]

[lineygoblue]

I'm waiting for The Chairman to threaten all the AA folks who still consider vaccines to be "Trump vaccines" and refuse to get them for that reason.

See Wayne County Michigan.

[Jeff Buchanan]

A few things more ignorant than lumping all vaccine apprehensive people into the group of stupid that doesn't believe in vaccines.


Lots of reasons people haven't, including not "believing in vaccines" but that's like 23% of the unvaccinated according to a recent study by the Kaiser Family Foundation, interesting findings about race and ethnicity and trust in government. In this case, lots of blacks and Hispanics have taken the conservative viewpoint of trust in authority, but there is a pretty diverse list of reasons.

I acknowledge that. Whatever people come up with - the long list of reasons - only a handful seem to me to make sense. One of them is recovery. I'm finding that in Europe where the EUC has laid out pretty clear protocols for managing mobility and social contacts with an eye toward lowering the number of new infections, one of the ways to move freely is to provide documentation that you recovered from COVID. The requirement is to present a valid lab test showing you had COVID and one showing you recovered (negative PCR and AB test positive for Igm).

It's pretty straight forward. If you can't show proof of vaccination and that's only done by presenting vaccination documents with a QR code on them or that you can't prove you are legitimately recovered, in most EU countries you have to get tested every 3d if you want to go anywhere ..... a bit of carrot and stick thing but the EU, unlike the US, has not mandated vaccines anywhere to my knowledge.

Another is documented adverse reactions to elements of the vaccines. Some, but not many, legitimate medical reasons for not being vaccinated exist. Otherwise eligible people have no legitimate excuse. Maybe it's not stupidity but it is irrationality. I'm certainly not advocating for forcing people to get vaccinated. That's as irrational as without a basis refusing the vaccines.

I am an advocate of the approach the EU has taken which, BTW, have carried this off a shit ton better than the US has leveraging technology. It's an embarrassment for US citizens who want to travel in Europe. Most of it is open but US passport holders are finding some countries won't accept the CDC shot record. There's too much forgery going on. You can't forge a digital COVID certificate with a QR code on it and you can't obtain one unless you're an EU citizen and can document your vaccines. To that end, agencies administering vaccines approved by the EU provide a vaccination document with a QR code that can be scanned into the COVID App. Easy, no forgery.

[Hannibal]

Turns out the gloating over the Maricopa County audit was a bit premature. As usual, the Liberal media was lying through their teeth about the actual substance of the report. (I know, shocking right?). The manual recount of the accepted votes shifted the tally to Biden by a few hundred, but that wasn't what the audit was for. The audit was to evaluate the validity of the ballots, and it found a whopping 50,000 questionable votes, including:

23,344 mail-in ballots were counted from individuals who no longer lived at the address to which the mail-in ballot was sent. The audit called these “mail-in ballots voted from prior address” in the voter history phase.

9,041 more ballots returned by voters than received in the voter history phase.

5,295 voters that potentially voted in multiple counties in the certified results phase.

3,432 more ballots cast than the list of people who show as having cast a vote. The audit called this group of ballots “official results does not match who voted,” in the certified results phase.

2,592 more duplicates than original ballots in the ballot phase.

2,382 in person voters who had moved out of Maricopa County in the certified results phase.

2,081 voters moved out of state during 29 day preceding election in the voter history phase.

1,551 votes counted in excess of voters who voted in the certified results phase.

That's 50,000 votes. Biden won the state by just over 10,000.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Turns out the Liberal gloating over the Maricopa County audit was a bit premature. As usual, the Liberal was lying through their teeth about the actual substance of the report. (I know, shocking right?). The manual recount of the accepted votes shifted the tally to Biden by a few hundred, but that wasn't what the audit was for. The audit was to evaluate the validity of the ballots, and it found a whopping 50,000 questionable votes, including:

23,344 mail-in ballots were counted from individuals who no longer lived at the address to which the mail-in ballot was sent. The audit called these “mail-in ballots voted from prior address” in the voter history phase.

9,041 more ballots returned by voters than received in the voter history phase.

5,295 voters that potentially voted in multiple counties in the certified results phase.

3,432 more ballots cast than the list of people who show as having cast a vote. The audit called this group of ballots “official results does not match who voted,” in the certified results phase.

2,592 more duplicates than original ballots in the ballot phase.

2,382 in person voters who had moved out of Maricopa County in the certified results phase.

2,081 voters moved out of state during 29 day preceding election in the voter history phase.

1,551 votes counted in excess of voters who voted in the certified results phase.

That's 50,000 votes. Biden won the state by just over 10,000.

The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors was live-tweeting during the Cyberninja presentation their rebuttals to all this. It's all on their Twitter feed. Too long to go through everything but a couple examples:

"CLAIM: 23,344 mail-in ballots voted from a prior address.

BOTTOM LINE: Cyber Ninjas still don't understand this is legal under federal election law. To label it a "critical" concern is either intentionally misleading or staggeringly ignorant. AZ Senators should know this too.

1) Military and overseas voters can cast a "federal only ballot" despite living outside the US. The address tied to their ballot would be their prior address in AZ. 2) People are allowed to move from one house to another (or even one state to another) in October and November of an election year (yes, shocking!). If the driver's license address matches the voter registration address, they are still allowed to vote. 3) For the November General Election Maricopa County had 20,933 one-time temporary address requests. In addition, snowbirds and college students tend to have forwarding addresses when they are out of the county. 4) Mail-in ballots are not forwarded to another address."

"CLAIM: 10,342 potential voters that voted in multiple counties. [Cyber Ninjas identified these voters by looking to see if anyone with the same name & birth year voted more than once]

BOTTOM LINE: There are more than 7 million people in Arizona and some of them share names and birth years. Example: if you search for Maria Garcia born in 1980, you'll get 7 active voters in Maricopa County and 12 statewide. And that's just one name."

You can read other point-by-point breakdowns on that Maricopa account. It's worth noting that the Cyber Ninjas team did NOT definitively call any of this fraud (because it almost certainly isn't). Just "troubling" and "critical concerns"

[Hannibal]

I haven't seen those rebuttals. Maybe if we had an intellectually honest media, we could see these pros and cons. If the county was willing to participate in the audit instead of stonewalling at every turn, then that would also help. But they insist that they are perfect and refuse to entertain any notion to the contrary. And the media was too busy lying about the audit conclusions to analyze the individual claims of the audit. It sounds like the rebuttal is that all of the irregularities are legal for mail-in ballots. Which is part of the problem.

[Hannibal]

And from what I am reading, they exonerated the voting machines (which I always thought was a nutty claim and they wasted way too much air time on it), so this wasn't just a dog and pony show to confirm Donald Trump's talking points.