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  • if floyd was dead when he got in that ambulance his O2 Sat would have been done by finger and it wouldnt have been 98.

    That 98% is likely what his hemoglobin was holding. point being unless your hgb was extemely low like in severe anemia or hemmorhage--you were getting enough oxygen to your red blood cells and you did not die of asphyxia
    Last edited by crashcourse; April 15, 2021, 05:08 PM.

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    • The irony is that if Floyd had been found dead in his home from an overdose, he would be part of the Covid-19 body count.

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      • that kid had gun residue allover his hand

        doesnt matter chicago is gonna burn

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        • Originally posted by crashcourse View Post
          that kid had gun residue allover his hand

          doesnt matter chicago is gonna burn
          Get me a bag of marshmallows.

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          • Yep. A 13 year old was in an alley at 2:30am emptying his 9mm at someone or something. I’m sure that point will get all the attention it deserves.

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            • Didn't a prosecution witness testify that Floyd took his last breath at about the 6-7 minute mark?

              Wouldn't the body oxygen levels plummet by 9-10 minutes?
              "in order to lead America you must love America"

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              • You are all unbelievably racist pricks.

                I suggest we move the forum servers to Denver.
                Shut the fuck up Donny!

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                • Just watched the video of the shooting.

                  Looks like a tiny split second of bad judgement.by the cop. He has about as much time to judge the danger level of the suspect as a batter has to swing at a Nolan Ryan fastball.

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                  • Originally posted by Mike View Post
                    Yep. A 13 year old was in an alley at 2:30am emptying his 9mm at someone or something. I’m sure that point will get all the attention it deserves.
                    A hundred bucks says the he’s another product of America’s shittiest demographic— the single mother.

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                    • And I'm ashamed of myself for watching what the news had on and instantly believing the BS. I should know better....

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                      • Originally posted by lineygoblue View Post
                        Didn't a prosecution witness testify that Floyd took his last breath at about the 6-7 minute mark?

                        Wouldn't the body oxygen levels plummet by 9-10 minutes?
                        That, again, was Dr. Tobin. A highly respected Pulmonologist at Loyola University's medical center. He said Floyd's oxygen levels were at 98% AND testified he was asphyxiated.

                        I'm gonna defer to the Doc on this one.

                        And the answer to your question may lie in Tobin's previous testimony. He was on the stand a lot.

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                        • I do not believe a genuine O2 sat level of 98% with asphyxiation. 98% is normal oxyhemoglobin levels in an alive, breathing person.

                          So, either the reading was wrong (possible, with what I detailed earlier, as well as finger probe O2 says are not really reliably diagnostic) or he was killed in some other way.

                          I do not know Dr. Tobin, but if he says you can be slowly choked to death and have an actual O2 death sat of 98 he’s a quack or he misspoke.
                          "The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln

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                          • Mike, you won' t need to read any "5000 word" posts on O2 sats from me. AlabamAlum took care of it in a lot fewer words than I would have posted.

                            HIs concluding sentence above says it all. I have my doubts that the defense will pick-up on this in closing arguments.

                            See my next 5000 word post below:
                            Last edited by Jeff Buchanan; April 16, 2021, 08:12 AM.
                            Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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                            • Thought I'd post some interesting and good news today. We need that.

                              Read a Bloomberg News piece on government's authority to mandate vaccines. A good deal of it dealt with Governor Desants' EO banning "vaccine passports." His intent was to ban such requirements for a patron to enter any business operating in FL under a FL business license. There was lots of misinformation about this pretty narrowly focused EO as you'd expect that implied it had broad effect and would include cruise lines. I had argued it won't as I understood it. The debate continues - mostly because controversy is newsworthy. Let's clear some things up:
                              • A requirement to show proof of vaccine for entry wouldn't violate HIPA as has been claimed. That is because the entity requiring such information isn't a healthcare entity.
                              • According to the lawyer quoted in the Bloomberg piece, "there is no statutory, regulatory or constitutional bar to that (a requirement to show proof of vaccination for entry) to happen as long as it is applied in a non-discriminatory manner."
                              I think that last legal opinion is definitive on it's face. Clearly that's not going to end the debate. What I think is clear is that the places of business, university, pro-sports have looked at the legal implications of requiring vaccinations to enter and have decided that it is a potentially a another layer of many other mitigation measures to protect said business from liability and requiring it is legal. Plan on getting vaccinated if you want to enter some, not all venues. I like that ..... what they are though won't become immediately clear. That is because there are already indications that implementing such a requirement is logistically "challenging." The Miami Heat was rumored to be making it a requirement to enter their place. They've given up.

                              In other vaccine news is you haven't heard it already, Pfizer has announced "a third shot (a booster) will likely be required 12 months from the date of your second shot." I never thought there was any question that SARS2 would become seasonal much like influenza and that annual shots would be recommended to blunt it's effects. SARS2 is with us. I think this is good news. It indicates Pfizer thinks SARS2 will become seasonal and immunity will wane over time. It will need to be boosted. Like the influenza virus, its genomic makeup will vary. The one thing we have going for us is that these mRNA vaccines have 90-95% efficacy with effectiveness, even in the face of variants, around 80% effective in preventing death, serious illness and transmission. Flu vaccines are between 35 and 50% effective.

                              A CBS's 60 Minutes segment aired on Sunday. It featured a scientist who works within DARPA (The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) who described two pretty amazing advancements that "would stop the next pandemic in its tracks." (Link below) The reason I mention this is that most of us are suffering from pandemic fatigue and have lost some hope for the future. We'll let me tell you scientists and researchers haven't lost hope and continue to advance technologies and therapeutics in ways unimaginable a decade ago.
                              Unrelated to COVID, my daughter is such a researcher. She lives and works in Switzerland. Her work involves supervising a research project that builds synthetically derived tissues that when assembled become an organ. One can then test the effect of a therapeutic without involving human trials. The net result is speeding the introduction of advanced therapeutics through the regulatory process. A kidney and liver have already been assembled. Proof of concept is underway.

                              Have nice day!
                              Last edited by Jeff Buchanan; April 16, 2021, 09:04 AM.
                              Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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                              • Free market capitalism + government funded basic research = wins.

                                There's a reason government directed virus programs failed massively (see China and Russia) and the US and sort of the EU approach worked splendidly. There's no need to develop a "new" vaccine technology from the government perspective until there is a need -- like a pandemic. But, from an entrepreneurial perspective, wildly creative minds are always looking to build a better mousetrap. It's so, so, so, so much better to have 1000 firms working on a technology than 1 ginormous leviathon directing everything. Diversity of THOUGHT (contrary to our current and permanent view of diversity) is the key.
                                Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                                Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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