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  • I'm looking forward to 4 years of ChinaJoe/Kumalot's failures blamed on Trump...
    Shut the fuck up Donny!

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    • That’s The Party line.
      Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
      Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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      • Originally posted by lineygoblue View Post

        They could even train some grumpy old retirees to help out ...
        I say Amen to that.

        Oh, and Awoman.

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        • "I'm looking forward to 4 years of ChinaJoe/Kumalot's failures blamed on Trump..."

          I'm looking forward to four years of Wiz daily shitting his pants as he drools and screams incoherently into the night and as he continues to post his patent phrase "STFU".

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          • Arizona GOP seems to be heading down the same path as the Virginia GOP and the Colorado GOP before it. When their decades-long grip on power was broken, they decided to embrace the loonies even harder.

            Arizona GOP narrowly reelected Kelli Ward as the Party chair. Under her leadership the state flipped blue and Republicans lost two Senate seats. Double down on failure!

            They also censured Jeff Flake, Cindy McCain, and Governor Doug Ducey. The first two are Never Trumpers so you can see a sort of rationale, dissent will not be tolerated in the Trump Party, but Ducey was/is a Trump supporter. What was his great crime against the Party? He refused to break the law and use some imaginary power to overturn the election and magically declare Trump the winner of his state.

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            • Party censures are basically meaningless. Its like the Democrats telling Silly Billy that he was a naughty boy. Meaningless. They'd all vote for him again if he was eligible. Repubs will do the same thing. If Flake, McCain or Ducey are ever in a position to beat a Democrat, the Repubs will jump back in line to support them.

              Children playing in schoolyards make better decisions than both political parties in 2021.
              "in order to lead America you must love America"

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              • Talent, on "fuck unity." I'm reading some different versions of what Biden meant about the use of this word. David Brooks writes for the NYTs so, TIFIWIW .......

                Most calls to “national unity” are vacuous pap. They are unrealistic, kumbaya pleas to “come together” around nothing.

                But, as Richard Hughes Gibson wrote this week in The Hedgehog Review, the best calls to national unity are arguments. They are aggressive calls to come together around a specific idea of America, a specific national project.

                What idea of America does Joe Biden call us to unite around? It’s the old one. As Walt Whitman understood, America was founded mostly by people fleeing the remnants of feudalism, the stratified caste societies of Europe.


                He goes on to makes the case that America has become a stratified caste society - I can agree with that characterization. He then describes Biden as a Trumaeseque, plain talker.

                Enter Joe Biden, a man who is repelled by the ancient feudalism of the right and is outside the “meritocratic” feudalism of the left. Here is a Truman-like figure, whose inaugural address was spoken in the plain words and with the plain values of Main Street.

                My favorite passage was this: “Here is the thing about life: There is no accounting for what fate will deal you. Some days you need a hand; there are other days when we are called to lend a hand.” The Biden values are there: humility, vulnerability, compassion, resilience, interdependence, solidarity. Donald Trump’s patriotism was bloated and fear-based. Biden’s is the self-confident patriotism he absorbed by growing up in a certain sort of country during the American century.

                Every president sets the moral and cultural tone for the nation. We saw that in a terrible way over the past four years. Just by who he is, Biden sets the stage for a moral revival. His values cut across the left/right, urban/rural culture war we’ve been enduring for a generation.


                Brooks gets a little too gushy for me about Biden. As do you, I suspect, I have real concerns about Biden's legislative agenda - not a lot of problem with most of his EO's on immigrations and COVID but intensely dislike cancelling the keystone pipeline permit and a full endorsement of The Paris Climate Accords and the WHO. Both the Accords and the WHO have serious problems that run counter to American interests. His initial bending to environmentalists and supporters of the fucked up international bodies like the WHO may moderate. I don't think Biden is stupid on that account - I hope. We'll see.

                But Biden seems genuine; he seems committed to getting things done if that's what Brooks measn when he talks about the unity that Biden is all about, I can get aboard with that. You?

                Most calls to “national unity” are vacuous pap. They are unrealistic, kumbaya pleas to “come together” around nothing. But, as Richard Hughes Gibson wrote this week in The H…
                Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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                • Liney - I sent a note off to the AZ GOP demanding that I be given a letter of censure. Its a badge of honor to be censured by those that oppose free speech. And to stand with those who opposed the former president's autocratic attempts at overthrowing the gov't. Our former dictator wannabe followed the autocrat's playbook - purge professionals from the system and appoint loyalists that have no background, pack the court with politicos that don't care about law only politics, create a slavish media and assault other outlets, invent external enemies like George Soros for the soft minded followers, actively undermine legitimate elections, and finally storm the capitol. I also vocally opposed these anti-American activities....so I demand my letter of censure. There's a place on my office wall just waiting for it.
                  “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

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                  • But Biden seems genuine; he seems committed to getting things done if that's what Brooks measn when he talks about the unity that Biden is all about, I can get aboard with that. You?
                    I think it remarkably odd that for such a prominent theme and word used in such a general address to the American people that some columnist would need a full column to explain what it means -- which, as it turns out, is basically unrelated to the actual word. Yeah, so that is the height of sophistry. It requires readers to check the excercise of rational thought and analysis at the door. What the column reveals most profoundly is that the columnist is throughly licking Biden's shoes. He's doing work for him. Lots of it -- "you see, here's what he really means by unity! (not what, you know, unity actually means).

                    So, fuck that ridiclous Media Gloss. Fuck it sideways.

                    As for your question, I'm not onboard with most of what Biden wants to get done and I'm certainly not onboard with some nonsensically stupid notion that "getting things done" means unity.

                    The columnist is correct in what most cries to unity are -- he's just willfully stupid to think Biden's is any different.
                    Last edited by iam416; January 24, 2021, 02:02 PM.
                    Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                    Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                    • I think Biden knows how to get things done through dialogue, receptiveness and civility instead of confrontation. OK, so lets say we both agree that he can get things done by being "Trumanesque" and I think I made it clear what that means .... I'm taking liberties here with your position but bear me out.

                      This isn't the place to get into specifics. I think we both know a lot about the areas that I'll mention here but I have no problems with his COVID approach and messaging. That is his job #1 right now. I also think we both know about stimulus. I'm for it as long as the D's don't add on a bunch of shit that you and I would both oppose. I think we both know what those things are - in general maybe specifically. That's job #2. I'd put the mood of Congress, not to mention the political make-up of it, to be such that there will be dialogue and a decent bill. There will be shit in any bill from the left but that is part of dialogue and compromise. I've read that enough R's are completely on board with getting their constituents stimulus aid and relief. The political circumstances are probably as right as they have been since march to pass a bill that most economists believe is essential to keep our heads above water until COVID is subdued regardless of the costs.

                      Job# 3 and 3a is immigration and equal justice reform. Here's where I have huge concerns that his won't end up being done the way I would like to see it done. Politics has the potential to be heavily involved in both areas. Immigration "reform" is where there is great risk for radical leftists to make headway. It's tricky business because there are a shit ton of hidden agendas from the left here. Equal Justice reform is where I'm pretty sure that the Ds hear the 74m people that voted for Trump. They want police departments adequately funded and when civil disorder occurs they want it brought under control by the means necessary to do that. Then they want involved looters and rioters regardless of racial or ethnic backgrounds to be prosecuted equally under the law. I could go on about this. I thin know are going to be pretty much in agreement here.

                      The point is I want things done. Sure, I want them my way but that's not always possible but I am way, way far away from throwing up my hands in believing the left is going to have free rein on the road to a socialist state, censoring conservative viewpoints or controlling our institutions of education such that they can turn subsequent generations into Marxist ideologues. Doing that fuels divisiveness with both the left and the right simply yelling louder to make their points. Instead of fixing shit, the temperature elevates and nothing gets done.

                      BTW, you have to realize I am one of the few on this board that will entertain a civil discussion with you. Heh. Well, there's AA and DSL, but DSL is almost always wrong and you and AA talk about chess.
                      Last edited by Jeff Buchanan; January 24, 2021, 03:47 PM.
                      Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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                      • After his speech, I said the difference is, ostensibly, respect, not unity. I stand by that, though it remains to be seen if the tenor actually changes.

                        I agree with you on Covid as job 1. I disagree with rest including the notion that we “need” to get things done. I’d caution to always consider the wisdom of Groucho Marx. For example, we have immigration laws that make sense — IF ENFORCED. We have laws everywhere that prohibit discrimination in nearly every setting. But, we must do something?

                        In terms of unity, we’ll see what they do with the Stimulus. It’s pretty much a given they’ll jam it through, with all the nonsense, via reconciliation. Great start.

                        Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                        Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                        • We agree to disagree on immigration. Without getting into the argument involving the law and it's enforcement I think I can cite specific examples where the law is not entirely clear. Birthright Citizenship is one of them. Lots of room for interpretation and I could see how this is simply an enforcement issue but I see lots of gray area - don't know the case law.

                          The criteria for access to the naturalization process isn't narrow enough. Too many loopholes for undocumenteds to start the naturalization application process leading to decisions early on or in the interview process to wide latitude granted to USCIS interviewers. My view is that this process could easily be made less cumbersome and entry into the naturalization process much more narrowly defined. I don't think there is much disagreement within Congress that the US needs much stronger entry enforcement. The wall was stupid and when all that discussion was going on over it I read lots of great alternative ideas to do that that were system and manpower intensive but still cost a lot less than Trump's wall.

                          I do agree with you though that doing something just to get something done that is useless in its effect is useless in and off itself. So when I say get "something" done I mean get substantive things done that have quantifiable results to assess effectiveness so as to change it, stop it or keep doing it if it works.
                          Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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                          • The current 7-day avg for vaccinations is 1.2M. If Chairman Joe only does 100M in 100 days that’d be a total failure.
                            Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                            Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                            • Originally posted by UMStan White View Post
                              "I'm looking forward to 4 years of ChinaJoe/Kumalot's failures blamed on Trump..."

                              I'm looking forward to four years of Wiz daily shitting his pants as he drools and screams incoherently into the night and as he continues to post his patent phrase "STFU".
                              STFU
                              Shut the fuck up Donny!

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                              • Baghdad Sarah, Queen of Bullshit Mountain, is expected to announce her run for Arkansas governor.


                                Sarah Huckabee Sanders, President Donald Trump’s former press secretary, announced Monday that she is running for governor of Arkansas.


                                “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

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