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  • LOL ..

    I knew there would be at least one, but my money would have been on Wiz ...
    "The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, .. I'd worn them for weeks, and they needed the air"

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    • Wiz is drunk and eating the 6th best wings in the North Platte Chinatown district. You get me instead!
      Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
      Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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      • But at least he's trying to move up to 5th...
        "The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, .. I'd worn them for weeks, and they needed the air"

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        • I've been watching FL's COVID numbers on the PH Web site where they, along with 4 other metrics, are being reported. It's a very robust web site where you can look at numbers in a variety of ways. In the last two weeks, which is the period the dashboard assesses the available data, the tri-county region has experienced a substantial reduction in new case numbers, % positivity and all 4 of the other metrics - (a) ED visits for ILI, (b) confirmed COVID infection - not admitted, and admissions in two categories, (c) COVID + w/symptoms, (d) admissions with cough, shortness of breath UKO.

          In Palm Beach Co. % + has been less than 3%, Broward < 5% and Miami-Dade just above 5%. Palm Beach Co. is moving to Phase II on Wednesday, this week. Most of FL is already in Phase II and some counties in Phase III. A month ago, S FL was a hot spot and according the CDC (Fauci appearing in an interview on GMA) said FL needs to fix that problem. I have to wonder what has changed?

          I see two possible explanations: (1) The folks are taking heed, wearing masks and distancing; businesses, esp. restaurants (bars aren't open) are complying with Phase I directives (seating, capacity, spacing, no stand-up bar service), the level of enforcement is effectively limiting idiot behavior that, in turn, reduces contagion. (2) The numbers are being massaged.

          I can make a case for both. Despite the media's attempt to exaggerate the impact of different levels of in-person learning outside of the tri-county region, school reopening in K-12 as well as colleges in FL, has gone fairly well. There has been a statewide increase in the positivity in the 15-24 yo age group- That to be expected but, in FL, anyway, officials aren't sending kids home, shutting down schools like we've seen elsewhere, instead they are managing outbreaks and seem to be doing it effectively. So, yeah, winning the battle but maybe not yet the war, it would seem...... or simple mitigation measures that don't require brutal shut downs can and do work.

          OTH, I can also see an opening for the data being massaged. We're not talking about out-right fraud, we're talking about adjusting the ways that various entities report to local PH units and then when that data is passed up to the state level it is further adjusted. An example is the deal with Quest labs last week who dumped 70K test results from as much as 5 weeks ago into the system ...... that data was definatley massaged as it should have had a much greater impact on Sunday's FL Dashboard than it did.

          Frankly, I can see Desantis "suggesting" to PH officials to work the data to create a more positive outlook in the state. Lie about it? No. Work it to create a lean to the notion things are improving here in FL? Absolutely and since we've heard nothing but the false, dire COVID consequences narrative blasted into our heads over the last 5 months I could be made to believe this is a reasonable strategy ...... did Roosevelt tell the complete truth about US naval forces getting their asses kicked in the Pacific by the Japanese Imperial Navy? The hot knife through butter situation with the German Wehrmacht occupying most of Europe and controlling the Atlantic sea lanes by late 1941? Nope. He massaged the data as a rallying point for the political support he needed to mount a war effort that ultimately sent the Nazi's to the trash heap of history.

          If I'm right about Desantis, thank God there is still that kind of leadership in the US. And that concludes my COVID post for today. You're welcome.
          Last edited by Jeff Buchanan; September 7, 2020, 04:08 PM.
          Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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          • Throughout the coronavirus crisis, the co-authors of this article have often held opposite viewpoints on many aspects of the issue. Despite coming from different disciplines with competing perspectives, they join forces to address puzzling questions about coronavirus mortality statistics.


            You die with covid not of covid in many circumstances. Just having the diagnosis sometime in the past==and lump that with having terminal cancer or massive heart attack waiting to happen gets put on your death certificate as coovid

            interesting part of the article is as a human race cover doesnt seem to be knocking us off more then any other year. still at a 0.8 % death rate.

            but we shut down the economy so it wouldn't be 0.9% I suppose

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            • Notice the number of total deaths per week in Jan and feb pre covid is the same as may june and july

              yeah i get many of us have changed the way we live--that there was a spick in march and april likely due to nursing home deaths in many states

              but bottom line many have quit going to get routine services because of covid by all accounts people getting treated for other conditions is impacting are death rate. and by all accounts suicides are up homicides are up. yes traffic fatalities are down but bottom line covid has not changed the overall fatality rate in this country. o.8% last year. likely 0.8% this year

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              • Crash ...... the ACSH article isn't great. The analysis suffers some inaccuracies. Still, what you can garner from multiple sources on the CFR for COVID is that whatever agency is reporting it, it isn't particularly accurate. There are multiple reasons for that all of them discussed several weeks ago here. Of particular note is the politicization of it depending on the agenda of the entity reporting CFR. One of the fundamental reasons is that the CDC, traditionally the national repository of US disease, epidemic/pandemic data, didn't establish a standard for COVID data collection, processing and reporting. We may never know what it actually is.

                The point you make on your second post is a good one ....... because of COVID, well, the fear factor inappropriately produced by it, the folks aren't going to the Doc for routine care like they should. Disease burden for non-COVID stuff is on the rise. Just another shitty impact of this thing and the overall reaction to it.
                Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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                • A look at the race in Michigan...with some Republicans saying in private that Trump could quietly give up on the state soon (8 weeks to go)

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                  • My wife used the drive through at Tim Horton's this morning. In a random act of kindness, the car in front of her paid for her order. Perhaps there still is hope for this country.
                    “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

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                    • Michigan foolishly gave Debbie Stupidnow a "Senator For Life" title many years ago, and she's going to take full advantage of it. I am concerned that Michigan voters have done the same thing for Gary Peters. So, any hope of Republican representation in the Senate for Michigan is totally dead. Michigan voters have now also foolishly given Whitmer her dictator status, and she'll be around for another seven years. With all that Democrat influence at the top, its going to be tough for any Republican presidential candidate to carry Michigan.

                      The only hope that Trump has here in Michigan is he's got to get a lot of traditionally apolitical stay at home voters to get out and vote for him on election day. Otherwise, he has no chance at all. Both Romney and McCain gave up on Michigan in September of their campaigns. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump does the same, although I don't know where he's going to make up for the electoral vote loss.
                      "The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, .. I'd worn them for weeks, and they needed the air"

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                      • He needs to hold Florida and Pennsylvania more than he needs Michigan. There's also some evidence out there (but not much polling) that he stands a better chance of flipping Minnesota than winning Michigan again.

                        In fact he can lose both Michigan and Wisconsin and still win so long as he holds everything else. Looking at things state-by-state, it makes the most sense to cut Michigan loose and concentrate on the rest if you're cutting anywhere. Unless they are still wasting money in places like Oregon and New Mexico.

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                        • Good Florida poll for Trump...shows things tied 48-48

                          Biden is underperforming among Hispanics, especially Miami-Dade County. He is running ahead of Hillary though with Seniors.

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                          • I call Fake News on that "Trump is going to give up on Michigan" story. Not saying that he's going to win there, but I call BS. He's within 3 points on RCP and he won the state 4 years ago. Anti-Whitmer sentiment might increase his turnout. Black enthusiasm for Biden is reportedly low again. There's nothing to suggest that Biden's got the state firmly in the bag.
                            Last edited by Hannibal; September 8, 2020, 12:43 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by Hannibal View Post
                              I call Fake News on that "Trump is going to give up on Michigan" story. Not saying that he's going to win there, but I call BS. He's within 3 points on RCP and he won the state 4 years ago. Anti-Whitmer sentiment might increase his turnout. Black enthusiasm for Biden is reportedly low again. There's nothing to suggest that Biden's got the state firmly in the bag.
                              I think it's got more to do with concentrating elsewhere and not spreading too thin. Meaning campaign in Florida and Pennsylvania, which are far more critical. There's just going to be a lot less opportunities to campaign on the ground so if you have to cut somewhere...

                              This weekend he'll be in Nevada...a state not being talked about a lot but should still be pretty close.

                              Also...Biden's lead in Michigan is closer to 6.5 points per Nate Silver's site. And he includes a lot more polls than RCP does

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                              • Originally posted by lineygoblue View Post
                                Michigan foolishly gave Debbie Stupidnow a "Senator For Life" title many years ago, and she's going to take full advantage of it. I am concerned that Michigan voters have done the same thing for Gary Peters. So, any hope of Republican representation in the Senate for Michigan is totally dead. Michigan voters have now also foolishly given Whitmer her dictator status, and she'll be around for another seven years. With all that Democrat influence at the top, its going to be tough for any Republican presidential candidate to carry Michigan.
                                It's really not that dire.

                                Whitmer's credibility is is becoming a bigger joke with each passing "Press Conference". She's constantly doubling down on her "Science" and will be toast if something bad doesn't happen. That's kind of pathetic if you really look at- but it is what it is. If the Republicans find someone competent, she's done by 2022.

                                Stabenow and Peters are both pretty useless and it wouldn't surprise me if John James pulled the upset in November,

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