Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[iam416]

The rather obvious thing about Hamilton is that it's not actually a history lesson. It's a broadway musical. It's wildly imaginative with music that, apparently, people love. It's a historically great musical by the only measure that matters. It's not intended to be anything other than a fucking broadway musical. It's not intended to "remake society" or whatever.

However, when you think racism is everywhere you find racism everywhere. And that's where the Democratic party is right. This is a directly analogous version of McCarthyism. Anything can be denounced and if you dare push back then you must be a racist, too.

That's the world the Democrats want.

[Dr. Strangelove]

The GOP will rebound for no other reason than that the Progressives will wildly overreach. Hell they ARE wildly overreaching. I mean, in 2008 the GOP was at a far lower point than now.

PDJT's problem isn't minority support; it's suburban support. That's where he's going to lose big and that will lead to him losing big.

What the Rs need is someone who is roughly in line with PDJT's mix of populist and conservative ideas, but who isn't PDJT.

2020 is merely a recall election. I mean, we're going to elect Joe Biden -- an candidate his own supporters actively want to keep shut up in the basement.

2024 will be the real battle. That will be your choice between socialism and, fundamentally, America is evil vs. wherever the Rs are at.

The Dems will overreach and the pendulum will swing the other way, because that's how our politics works. I don't think the Woke Left has as much sway over the Democrat Party as you and others say because Biden would never have become the nominee if that were the case. It probably wouldn't have even been Bernie because for all his Leftism he's largely steered clear of identity politics. It'd be someone like Julian Castro or, guffaw, Stacey Abrams.

I don't know what the future of the Republican Party will be. I think Trumpism goes away only if the election is a total blowout and he's thoroughly discredited. If it's close, and it very well could be, the Charlie Dents and Bob Corkers and Lincoln Project people and Reagan/Bush alums are all set up for disappointment.

Now if the unthinkable happens and Joe Biden loses, then I think you'll have a Woke Champion as the Dem or a major Independent in 2024.

[Hannibal]

The pendulum will never swing back. The Republicans are already to the Left of Barack Obama circa 2008. Corporate America is to the Left of Barack Obama in 2008. Every major institution in the United States is now bowing in servitude to the violent far Left hate group Black Lives Matter. This is how the Left wins every time.

The Left demands radical kook changes. The Republicans "compromise" by accepting half of them. People who don't want any of it are branded as "extremists". And the country constantly lurches left. Democrats eventually get everything that they want. I have been saying for a couple of years that Texas will go Blue this decade, and it's never coming back.

Republicans will likely rebound a little bit in the 2022 midterms, but it will be led once again by Paul Ryan/John McCain type Cuckservatives who won't get anything done that their constituents want. The Republicans hate their constituents.

[Hannibal]

The rather obvious thing about Hamilton is that it's not actually a history lesson. It's a broadway musical. It's wildly imaginative with music that, apparently, people love. It's a historically great musical by the only measure that matters. It's not intended to be anything other than a fucking broadway musical. It's not intended to "remake society" or whatever.

It's not meant to be a history lesson, but it actually does a great job of framing the personalities involved in a way that is historically accurate. It also dramatizes the struggles of establishing and then governing a brand new nation for a bunch of guys who had no experience doing so and had no precedents to follow. When you combine that with the music, the choreography, and the clever lyrics, it's easily one of the greatest pieces of historical fiction ever made. It even replaces all of the white people with minorities for good measure (for some reason).

But nope -- it's not enough. Gotta shit on everything, including the founding of the country, the American Revolution, The Miracle at Philadelphia, etc. It's all bad.

[Cody_Russell]

Gen Z and Millennials are hard left. I can see a Bernie-like candidate winning in 2028 with how far left young people are going.
Perhaps people tend to turn more conservative with they get older, but we'll see. I consider myself independent/ in the middle/ slightly leaning left on social issues ... everyone I know 30 years old or younger are far left from me.
It's not changing with our current education system... How the left clearly controls all (~95%) types of media.

I would compare Biden to Joe Paterno's last years as HC at Penn State. Yeah, technically would be POTUS in title ... but really, acts as a mascot because he has no idea what the heck is going on as others hold power.
Don't kid yourself, a vote for Biden is a vote for Kamala Harris (pretty sure that's the VP pick).

[Dr. Strangelove]

I don't know, from my perspective (and I'm 40) so much of this "America is unraveling and doomed' talk sounds like exactly what a 48-year-old conservative would've predicted in 1967. Social upheaval eventually burns itself out. People can't go emotionally outraged 24/7 for decades. Eventually you burn out, check out, and start hanging out at discos and snorting coke instead. Welcome to the 70's!!

Maybe I'm 100% wrong and you guys are right. I don't really think so but we'll see.

[Hannibal]

Gen Z and Millennials are hard left. I can see a Bernie-like candidate winning in 2028 with how far left young people are going.
Perhaps people tend to turn more conservative with they get older, but we'll see. I consider myself independent/ in the middle/ slightly leaning left on social issues ... everyone I know 30 years old or younger are far left from me.

I would compare Biden to Joe Paterno's last years as HC at Penn State. Yeah, technically would be POTUS in title ... but really, acts as a mascot because he has no idea what the heck is going on as others hold power.
Don't kid yourself, a vote for Biden is a vote for Kamala Harris (pretty sure that's the VP pick).

Millenials are hard Left. It's the generation that grew up entirely on The Today Show. It's absolutely a lost generation that would vote for their own execution if they thought that it absolved them of White Guilt.

Gen Z is still undetermined, but there is some encouraging anecdotal evidence there. There's a lot more competition lately in pop culture for their opinions thanks to content creator sites like youtube. This is, incidentally, why Liberals are so desperate to censor those platforms. Being able to monologue the message to the next generation would ensure that there is another 50 million sheeple who are willing to swallow whatever CNN says hook, line, and sinker. There are a handful of very popular Gen Z channels that have already been banned from youtube.

[iam416]

The Dems will overreach and the pendulum will swing the other way, because that's how our politics works. I don't think the Woke Left has as much sway over the Democrat Party as you and others say because Biden would never have become the nominee if that were the case

First, I think there was a panic that they might actually lose to PDJT. And, look, just because you're a POC doesn't make you a good politician. Harris, e.g., was awful in the primary.

Second, the nomination was effectively decided before Covid and before #DefundThePolice. I'm not sure how Biden would do today. I mean, CNN is publishing opinion pieces about Hamilton as racist trash.

Incidentally, I told my wife, who hates PDJT as much as Jon does -- maybe more -- that I was just going to sit back and watch and see where this whole derailed train ends up. She guffawed and said something like -- it'll end with confederates. She loves Hamilton. She's flabbergasted that anyone is finding a way to find racism in it. And I'm just just smiling from my window watching as we steamroll history.

Third, I fundamentally agree that the WINNING coalition for Ds is not predominantly "woke" -- however, the Woke Progressives are driving the bus as of now. I mean, think about the conversation -- should we abolish or merely defund the police? should we remove monuments to George Washington? is Mt. Rushmore racist? This is where the Overton Window is.

Fourth, this is a recall election so there's not amount of crazy from the Left that's going to save PDJT at this point. The Woke Progressive are not only driving the bus, they have free reign. No one is going to push back because, frankly, no one needs to. It is, in part, a testament to what a disaster PDJT has been for the Rs.

Fifth, that won't be true in 2022 or 2024 and I'd expect that the Ds may try to moderate themselves. But, the question is, can the put the genie back in the bottle. Once they give these people power it's not going to be easy to take it away. An AOC-type is far more likely to be the future of your party than an Ossoff-type. I mean, we're talking Ohio State v. Kent State blowout here.

[AlabamAlum]

Once Texas becomes solidly blue, which it will with unchecked illegal immigration, it’s hard for me to see the pendulum swinging back.

[iam416]

It's not meant to be a history lesson, but it actually does a great job of framing the personalities involved in a way that is historically accurate. It also dramatizes the struggles of establishing and then governing a brand new nation for a bunch of guys who had no experience doing so and had no precedents to follow. When you combine that with the music, the choreography, and the clever lyrics, it's easily one of the greatest pieces of historical fiction ever made. It even replaces all of the white people with minorities for good measure (for some reason).

But nope -- it's not enough. Gotta shit on everything, including the founding of the country, the American Revolution, The Miracle at Philadelphia, etc. It's all bad.

100%

[iam416]

I don't know, from my perspective (and I'm 40) so much of this "America is unraveling and doomed' talk sounds like exactly what a 48-year-old conservative would've predicted in 1967. Social upheaval eventually burns itself out. People can't go emotionally outraged 24/7 for decades. Eventually you burn out, check out, and start hanging out at discos and snorting coke instead. Welcome to the 70's!!

Maybe I'm 100% wrong and you guys are right. I don't really think so but we'll see.

The progressives have controlled education for far longer this go around. It doesn't have to be outrage or rage. It just has to be "America is bad." That's it. I think progressives are constantly on the prowl for some sort of Trojan horse for the substantive policies. Climate change is obviously one -- the Green New Deal aspires to complete economic transformation. And now BLM is obviously one -- and if you look at what BLM supported in 2016, you know that it's in favor of a complete economic transformation. And w/ BLM you also get the pretense to argue how awful America is. You have to undo history.

I hope you're right. I hope this is just a passing fancy, but I'm not sure how you stop caring about racism. The Vietnam era protestors were fundamentally protesting one thing (and lots of others, but one was obviously visible). Once that was gone, people wanted normalcy. The genius of making "systemic racism" the issue is that it will ALWAYS be there because there will ALWAYS be some sort of disparate results. And thus, we must ALWAYS do more. That's going to be hard to tune out.

[Hannibal]

A return to normalcy is not possible. "Normalcy" to me means having a social landscape and regulatory regime similar to what the country had in the 1990s. That's Hitler-mustache territory now. Democrats always get to define "normalcy" because Republicans are incredibly gutless pussies who hate their constituents and steadfastly refuse to do what those constituents put them in office for. I wonder if there is any historical precedent for this in any Republic anywhere. If there is, I wouldn't know it.

[Hannibal]

Incidentally, I told my wife, who hates PDJT as much as Jon does -- maybe more -- that I was just going to sit back and watch and see where this whole derailed train ends up. She guffawed and said something like -- it'll end with confederates. She loves Hamilton. She's flabbergasted that anyone is finding a way to find racism in it. And I'm just just smiling from my window watching as we steamroll history.

Today, they deny that it's even part of the agenda. Tomorrow, they will have fully accepted it.

I've seen this movie play out a few dozen times now.

[iam416]

Correct. And, really, if it's "racist" how are you supposed to push back without being a racist? And if you're white, how can you even say what is or isn't racist?

It's genius.

[iam416]

In the meantime, I hope these progressive paradises get rid of the police. Knock yourself the fuck out.