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  • It's a local and state decision right now. Trump didn't order any restaurants or bars closed. It was every state's Governor that did it (other than a handful of the most rural states in the country)

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    • Look, getting people back to work and businesses back open are tough decisions. But it CAN"T be constrained by the notion that there is no estimating the cost of a life and it HAS to consider the kind of cost benefit calculations that economists and public health officials ought to be looking at and making now, not in 6 months.

      There's middle ground and the most important aspect of finding it is through differentiation as the study authors proposed. I don't think it's that hard to do ...... void the politics and emotional aspects of it. Sure, auto plants and supporting industries in and around Detroit aren't going to suddenly start rolling again safely. But places in the mid-west and plains states, manufacturing and service industries there, hell yes. And that doesn't mean business as usual. Take a measured, step wise approach. Incorporate reasonable mitigation, testing and contact tracking measures and it most certainly can and should be done. I'd say policy makers in the US need to start looking at it now with an eye toward doing it in 2-3w.
      Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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      • Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
        It's a local and state decision right now. Trump didn't order any restaurants or bars closed. It was every state's Governor that did it (other than a handful of the most rural states in the country)
        Exactly

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        • Originally posted by Jeff Buchanan View Post
          Look, getting people back to work and businesses back open are tough decisions. But it CAN"T be constrained by the notion that there is no estimating the cost of a life and it HAS to consider the kind of cost benefit calculations that economists and public health officials ought to be looking at and making now, not in 6 months.

          There's middle ground and the most important aspect of finding it is through differentiation as the study authors proposed. I don't think it's that hard to do ...... void the politics and emotional aspects of it. Sure, auto plants and supporting industries in and around Detroit aren't going to suddenly start rolling again safely. But places in the mid-west and plains states, manufacturing and service industries there, hell yes. And that doesn't mean business as usual. Take a measured, step wise approach. Incorporate reasonable mitigation, testing and contact tracking measures and it most certainly can and should be done. I'd say policy makers in the US need to start looking at it now with an eye toward doing it in 2-3w.
          I haven't seen anything that indicates public policy makers are looking at much besides trying to put out the current fire. Hopefully people behind the scenes have some plan. Any plan depends on a mass upgrade in testing, increase in supplies like masks and some sort of contact/trace program.

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          • Well, it might be a local and state decision to ease mitigation measures but there should be some uniformity to the process from the federal level. That's the only way to report data in any meaningful way that then allows information to flow back down hill to the states so they can adjust their mitigation, testing and tracking measures.

            I'm not sure formulating a plan is entirely in the hands of Federal Public Health Officials via the CDC. I'd say Commerce has to be involved so that there is a way to adequately assess both the public health costs and benefits weighed against the economic costs. Right now the CDC doesn't give a shit about this and they probably shouldn't.
            Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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            • Originally posted by froot loops View Post

              I haven't seen anything that indicates public policy makers are looking at much besides trying to put out the current fire. Hopefully people behind the scenes have some plan. Any plan depends on a mass upgrade in testing, increase in supplies like masks and some sort of contact/trace program.
              Right. I think the public messaging from Fauci and Brix is spot on at this point. I think the Fed is acting in a way to stabilize markets and assure some meaningful back stopping for businesses. I believe the reason we aren't hearing much about the plan going forward is that Americans in general will stop efforts to socially distance if there is a hint of return to normalcy.

              I have heard comments from the federal level that normal is not going to be anything like pre-COVID normal so, that's a start.
              Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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              • Mike DeWine is currently giving the first of what will be many talks by public figures on why the 3 million bodies that were supposed to be piling up in the streets by now won't be materializing. These predictions were being made even after social distancing was fully implemented. This is The Population Bomb raised to the Global Warming power. But unlike those doomsday predictions, we gave unelected health officials unprecedented power. Amy Acton will be the answer to the trivia question "who was the only woman to singlehandedly postpone an election?"

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                • Originally posted by Hannibal View Post
                  Mike DeWine is currently giving the first of what will be many talks by public figures on why the 3 million bodies that were supposed to be piling up in the streets by now won't be materializing. These predictions were being made even after social distancing was fully implemented. This is The Population Bomb raised to the Global Warming power. But unlike those doomsday predictions, we gave unelected health officials unprecedented power. Amy Acton will be the answer to the trivia question "who was the only woman to singlehandedly postpone an election?"
                  Your duly elected Messiah was saying it would disappear in April.

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                  • "The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln

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                    • Dr. Strangelove posted that yesterday. Shamefully late.
                      Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                      Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                      • "The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln

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                        • More chess riddles; less DSL emulation.
                          Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                          Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                          • Re death toll. Man that's been ugly but, among statisticians, this group is starting to question that initial estimate of the US death toll. Even Fauci, as reported up thread, is saying deaths may be far less than in the 100s of thousands that he and Brix scared the shit out of everyone last week with.

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                            The entire study is here. Kinda interesting how they did it:

                            economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/11/why-a-study-showing-that-covid-19-is-everywhere-is-good-news
                            Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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                            • Trump angry that the Wall Street Journal failed to mention he's getting great tv ratings for his press conference. Monday Night Football or Bachelor Finale-type numbers!



                              He was pushing back on this editorial in the WSJ.

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                              • Latest John Hopkins on the mortality rate of CONFIRMED cases is 3.4%

                                If we say that 70-150 million Americans will get covid-19 and that 30% of those out of that number is confirmed. Then you are looking at 714k- 1.53 million deaths.

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                                2012 Detroit Lions Draft: 1) Cordy Glenn G , 2) Brandon Taylor S, 3) Sean Spence olb, 4) Joe Adams WR/KR, 5) Matt McCants OT, 7a) B.J. Coleman QB 7b) Kewshan Martin WR

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