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  • Froot, I used that sentence as an example of the private, not their public utterings, that some, not all, liberal minded folks view immigration. In public they support diversity and the diversity that immigration brings. In private they voice concerns about the cohort I listed encroaching on their daily lives. Of course, and that is typical of libs, the race card got brought out implying that by me using that example, I was a racist. Did I endorse that view? Nope, but you certainly worked hard, and continue to work hard, to ascribe that to my beliefs.

    In the rational part of our post exchanges, myself, you and DSL where arguing our views on what importance "Immigration" will have in the 2020 elections. I offered it will be important - and I framed that take by saying this:

    I saw a piece a couple of days ago, intended to highlight the terrible things happening to "the (immigrant) children" that flat out demonstrated, big time, how illegal crossings have dropped dramatically from May (their record highs) to September (near record lows). In the same piece, begrudging credit was given to the Trump administration in achieving that..... but, "the children." Oh, and don't forget that immigrants who have to remain in Mexico or El Salvador aren't safe and, of course, the US should take care of all this by shoveling money into jobs programs there according to the former Mayor of San Antonio and D presidential candidate, Julian Castro. GTFO. Yes, I know. It's cruel but sometimes tough measures are called for when folks do illegal things. The law and all that.

    I'll reiterate, and I already think we've finally gotten to the point, where immigration, in particular the illegal portion of it - and that covers both illegal crossings and legal crossing where an immigrant over-stayed his visa illegally - can be a position that the R's, including Trump if he doesn't screw up his messaging on this (a big if) can win moderates from both sides of the political spectrum.

    DSL brought up some good counter points to my position. He's clearly not part of this group and I don't think you are either, Froot, but only the whacko left is embracing ideas that include, let them come whenever and wherever the want - our country is based on the diversity that open immigration brings or providing sanctuary to immigrants now residing in the US who have failed to follow US immigration law or arguing for blanket amnesty for every illegal immigrant currently living in the US. Some of the D presidential candidates are pandering to those beliefs in safely cloaked tones but, make no mistake, the US will have a hella immigration problem if any of them get elected..... or, at least they'll try. And, thank you US Constitution for probably insuring that won't happen

    talent put it more succinctly in describing the Ds by saying words to this affect, sure, run on free shit, run on open boarders, run on blanket amnesty ..... that is a kick the living shit out of whoever articulates that losing position to moderate voters who have a lick of sense on this matter.
    Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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    • So, Buchanan is a racist?

      "The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln

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      • Originally posted by Jeff Buchanan View Post
        Froot, I used that sentence as an example of the private, not their public utterings, that some, not all, liberal minded folks view immigration. In public they support diversity and the diversity that immigration brings. In private they voice concerns about the cohort I listed encroaching on their daily lives. Of course, and that is typical of libs, the race card got brought out implying that by me using that example, I was a racist. Did I endorse that view? Nope, but you certainly worked hard, and continue to work hard, to ascribe that to my beliefs.

        In the rational part of our post exchanges, myself, you and DSL where arguing our views on what importance "Immigration" will have in the 2020 elections. I offered it will be important - and I framed that take by saying this:

        I saw a piece a couple of days ago, intended to highlight the terrible things happening to "the (immigrant) children" that flat out demonstrated, big time, how illegal crossings have dropped dramatically from May (their record highs) to September (near record lows). In the same piece, begrudging credit was given to the Trump administration in achieving that..... but, "the children." Oh, and don't forget that immigrants who have to remain in Mexico or El Salvador aren't safe and, of course, the US should take care of all this by shoveling money into jobs programs there according to the former Mayor of San Antonio and D presidential candidate, Julian Castro. GTFO. Yes, I know. It's cruel but sometimes tough measures are called for when folks do illegal things. The law and all that.

        I'll reiterate, and I already think we've finally gotten to the point, where immigration, in particular the illegal portion of it - and that covers both illegal crossings and legal crossing where an immigrant over-stayed his visa illegally - can be a position that the R's, including Trump if he doesn't screw up his messaging on this (a big if) can win moderates from both sides of the political spectrum.

        DSL brought up some good counter points to my position. He's clearly not part of this group and I don't think you are either, Froot, but only the whacko left is embracing ideas that include, let them come whenever and wherever the want - our country is based on the diversity that open immigration brings or providing sanctuary to immigrants now residing in the US who have failed to follow US immigration law or arguing for blanket amnesty for every illegal immigrant currently living in the US. Some of the D presidential candidates are pandering to those beliefs in safely cloaked tones but, make no mistake, the US will have a hella immigration problem if any of them get elected..... or, at least they'll try. And, thank you US Constitution for probably insuring that won't happen

        talent put it more succinctly in describing the Ds by saying words to this affect, sure, run on free shit, run on open boarders, run on blanket amnesty ..... that is a kick the living shit out of whoever articulates that losing position to moderate voters who have a lick of sense on this matter.
        Then who were the lunatics on the left here you were addressing?

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        • Jeff would have been suspended on Twitter and Facebook with the racist 'illegal crossings' comment. Carry on..

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          • Originally posted by WingsFan View Post
            Jeff would have been suspended on Twitter and Facebook with the racist 'illegal crossings' comment. Carry on..
            If Ann Coulter can still post, then I'm pretty sure Jeff would be fine.

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            • Froot, hyperbole for you and DSL ........ I actually really enjoy reading your takes even though both of you are seriously wok.
              Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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              • Some context for the discussion about where people lie on the spectrum...

                It needs to be pointed out that the only extreme part of Donald Trump's immigration agenda is and always has been the demand for a physical barrier to enforce the immigration laws. He has maintained over and over again that he wants to specifically crack down on illegal immigration and make plenty of room for legals who will add value to our society. The Wall is simply an acknowledgement that our government will never be able to control immigration without a physical barrier on our Southern border, because it is difficult to police that border, even when the politicians are willing (which is basically never). Trump has steadfastly avoided issues like demographics and population replacement. His attitude of needing to enforce the existing laws while rolling out the welcome mat for large numbers of people who legally go through the immigration process is solidly in line with the average Joe voter.
                Last edited by Hannibal; November 1, 2019, 01:22 PM.

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                • If Ann Coulter can still post, then I'm pretty sure Jeff would be fine.
                  Didn't she turn on Trump? Probably why she can still tweet

                  average Joe voter
                  I didn't know Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher was still around.

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                  • Can I get a wellness check on Talent? It's been hours since Beto dropped out and he hasn't checked in

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                    • Beeto should never have entered the race to begin with. If he couldn't beat Ted Cruz, there was no way he was going to win nationally
                      "The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, .. I'd worn them for weeks, and they needed the air"

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                      • Smugglers have already figured out a way to defeat Trump's beautiful Wall. CBP is trying to keep it under wraps that the impenetrable Wall is actually very penetrable so as not to disturb Da Boss.

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                        • The new novel defense of Trump: they're trying to impeach for a crime he didn't even commit!!



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                          • Jesus expects you to pray for Trump. And he'd want you to buy this tshirt too.

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                            • It's actually the "no harm, no foul" defense. Investigation never happened. Aid was received. However, attempted extortion is still a crime in most penal codes (presumably all of them, but I'm not canvassing all 50 states), so.....but, that's the defense.

                              Can I get a wellness check on Talent? It's been hours since Beto dropped out and he hasn't checked in
                              Well played. What a total fucking trash candidate. I think even you can admit that he was built up and propped up by a large portion of the media as driven by their insane desire to beat Ted Cruz. The amount of total fluff and absolute shameless fanboy pieces he got for that election was stunning. Especially when you see what type of candidate he really is. I mean, he's terrible.
                              Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                              Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                              • It's a familiar approach. Same argument was advanced and essentially affirmed by the Mueller Inquiry - no collusion. Yet, both in that case and in the current Ukraine case, the conduct of President Trump in carrying out his constitutional duties as president in an ethical and responsible way seems to me to be so out of the norm for past presidents that it warrants scrutiny by Congress.

                                What spokespersons from the House need to be harping on to the public is that criminal conduct is not the bar that must be gotten over for the House to undertake an Impeachment Inquiry. Nor is an argument that the alleged unethical conduct, though it was initiated but never undertaken, valid.

                                It's up to the House upon following the Inquiry, to submit the facts found in that inquiry to the Senate. It's up to the Senate to conduct a trial to convict based on a finding that Trump behaved in such a way, according to Hamilton, that meets this standard: (paraphrased) the misconduct of the public men arising from the abuse or violation of some public trust.

                                I don't think there is any question that Trump's conduct as president, going beyond the Ukraine imbroglio, has been less than appropriate if not plainly unethical. This constant deflection from Trump and people who support him that involve the kinds of arguments being reported upon by Britt Hume is total BS and should be pounced upon as such by members of the House involved in the Impeachment Inquiry, especially Speaker Pelosi.

                                If it comes to a trial, and I think it will, Impeachment is a remedial tool; it serves to effectively "maintain constitutional government" by removing individuals unfit for office. My view is that Trump, beyond any doubt, has proven he is unfit for office. The pregnant political question remains: will the R controlled Senate abandon partisanship to remove Trump for what I'm pretty sure the Impeachment Inquiry will find as impeachable misconduct that violates the public trust whther it was actually carried out or not. I don't think they will.
                                Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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