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  • I don't know if he got "rolled." The Mexican government through it's various spokespeople over the last 48h have been vague about commitments made by either side. Even the Agriculture Commissioner, interviewed on Face the Nation on Sunday, reportedly sidestepped direct questions about Trump's assertion that Mexico is going to increase purchases of US agricultural products. She wouldn't say that was an accurate statement by Trump as it applies to the recent negotiations or it wasn't. She said trade would increase between the two countries and we are each other's #1 trading partners where as before we were #2 or #3.

    The real measure of whatever immigration agreements were agreed upon - and IMO it does not matter when they were agreed upon - going forward is whether Mexico will accept more immigrants turned away at the US boarder under MPP...... and if MPP stands up in the courts after legal challenges to it. I think it is pretty clear that Mexico did not or has not agree(d) to "safe third country" policies. It seems to me that trump wants to use the threat of tariffs on Mexican imports to make sure Mexico is willing to cooperate with the US under MPP in significantly reducing the number of all types or classes of immigrants flowing across the Mexican/US boarder and into the US given that it won't agree to the more stringent "safe third country" policies .

    What strikes me as questionable global strategy or tactics is Trump's threats to use sanctions or tariffs with China, NK, Iran as a means of diplomacy. The reason for that is there is never anything conclusive coming out of diplomatic negotiations after the threats are made. Outcomes are deferred putting the world in a wait and see posture to determine if these kinds of strong-arm tactics can be effective within the context of US diplomacy, strategic policy and interests.

    My take is that while there is potential, Trump is walking a tight rope politically at home and internationally with a high risk of abysmal or even catastrophic failure should the target countries of these tactics simply say fuck-off. The bottom line is that Trump has about another 6 months left to obtain objectively measurable results on trade, immigration and denuclearization. Failing that, he absolutely deserves to be pilloried and the Ds and will do that if they have any sense but then again ..... shrugs. His Support among Rs is also going to decrease as it becomes apparent to voters who are paying attention that Trump is a blowhard who has achieved nothing diplomatically positive for the US during his first term.
    Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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    • The link below provides some clarity on the implications of Trump's tariff diplomacy and highlights the dangers and the potential benefits of it. You have to sign up to read articles (5/m) or pay $12 to read the on-line version for a year. If you are really interested in understanding tariff diplomacy, what is potentially good or bad about it and how it fits into the broader context of the Trump administration's strategic agenda, the Economist is a good source of mostly balanced journalism. If your political bent is slightly right it works. If you don't want to do that or don't have the time, here's my take on the article:
      • The Trump administration's trade policy as fashioned by Peter Navarro is mostly correct in dealing with trade realities of the modern global market place.
      • When it comes to the threat of Mexican tariffs, that government is in no position to say fuck-off. A 5% tariff on imported Mexican products wouldn't do much but a 25% would be devastating to Mexico's economy.
      • When it comes to China,Trump may have already passed the point of diminishing returns with tariffs on Chinese imports to the US. That is because even their capital markets have a degree of state control and subsidies can be increased to Chinese businesses there to stimulate production growth to make up for lost access to, in particular, chip components coming from US producers. IOW, more tariffs will simply produce more unwanted Chinese government subsidies and mercantilism.
      I still hold this is a massively risky approach with the potential of permanently fixing known trade inequities between the US and India for example and essentially by-passing the weaknesses of the WTO in dealing with them or precipitating a global recession. I'm not sure there is middle ground with Trump. That is because of his nature - he wants wins, not compromises.

      https://www.economist.com/finance-an...our-of-tariffs
      Last edited by Jeff Buchanan; June 11, 2019, 08:04 AM.
      Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. But the shine on the NC Trophy is embarrassingly wearing off. It's M B-Ball ..... or hockey or volley ball or name your college sport favorite time ...... until next year.

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      • so John Dean who was responsible for much of nixons coverup and pleaded guilty to a felony charge for he;lping mastermind it as nixons chief counsel is the man chosen to open up nadlers probe

        If trump would shut his tweeter and let the dems just open their mouths he'd win in a landslide

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        • “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

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          • To prove that there was some additional "secret" agreement with Mexico, President Deals whipped out a folded piece of paper from a coat pocket. Reporters asked, may we see it?. He responded sorry, no, you can't. But he helpfully held it in front of direct sunlight long enough for a WP photographer to get some hi res pictures.

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            • Hung jury in case which could have given border activist 20 years in prison for providing illegals with food, water, and lodging



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              • Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
                To prove that there was some additional "secret" agreement with Mexico, President Deals whipped out a folded piece of paper from a coat pocket. Reporters asked, may we see it?. He responded sorry, no, you can't. But he helpfully held it in front of direct sunlight long enough for a WP photographer to get some hi res pictures.

                Funny, it's the same piece of paper that "reporters" from WAPO, WH correspondent from CNN, NYTimes and others said was a blank piece of paper.

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                • Welp, here's the clip that'll have people abuzz for the next 24 hours. Trump delivers an open invitation for foreign governments to help him get reelected and send him dirt on his political opponents. Says Christopher Wray is wrong to suggest you call the FBI.

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                  • First Traitor is now on record stating its okay to accept dirt on political rivals from foreign gov'ts. Those who have ethics and integrity and know otherwise, including the FBI director he selected, are 'wrong'.


                    https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/12/polit...als/index.html
                    Last edited by Ghengis Jon; June 12, 2019, 06:47 PM.
                    “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

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                    • "Help me Vladdy, help me! Just like last time!"
                      “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

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                      • First Traitor wants to re-open a concentration camp for children.


                        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...mp/1430394001/.
                        “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

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                        • NO COLLUSION...but if there was, there's nothing wrong with that

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                          • Ok Iran, North Korea...whoever finds Hillary's emails first gets a peace treaty and economic aid. Loser gets bombed. Aaaaaaaand GO!

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                            • Impeachment Now

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                              • I wonder if from this point forward the supporters of the First Traitor are guilty of providing aid and comfort to the enemy.
                                “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

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