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  • this kinda went under the radar... Bruce Ohr and Michael Steele... now where do I know those names from?






    Russian Oligarch And Putin Pal Admits To Collusion, Secret Meetings



    Russian Oligarch Oleg Deripaska, a close associate of Vladimir Putin, has gone on record with The Hill's John Solomon - admitting to colluding with Americans leading up to the 2016 US election, except it might not be what you're thinking. Deripaska, rumored to be Donald Trump's "back channel" to Putin via the Russian's former association with Paul Manafort, says he "colluded" with the US Government between 2009 and 2016. In 2009, when Robert Mueller was running the FBI, the agency asked Deripaska to spend $25 million of his own money to bankroll an FBI-supervised operation to rescue a retired FBI agent - Robert Levinson, who was kidnapped in 2007 while working on a 2007 CIA contract in Iran. This in and of itself is more than a bit strange. Deripaska agreed, however the Obama State Department, headed by Hillary Clinton, scuttled a last-minute deal with Iran before Levinson could be released. He hasn't been heard from since.

    FBI agents courted Deripaska in 2009 in a series of secret hotel meetings in Paris; Vienna; Budapest, Hungary, and Washington. Agents persuaded the aluminum industry magnate to underwrite the mission. The Russian billionaire insisted the operation neither involve nor harm his homeland. -The Hill



    In other words - Trump's alleged "back channel" to Putin was in fact an FBI asset who spent $25 million helping Obama's "scandal free" administration find a kidnapped agent. Deripaska's admitted


    Steele, Ohr and the 2016 US Election


    As the New York Times frames it, distancing Deripaska from the FBI (no mention of the $25 million rescue effort, for example), the Russian aluminum magnate was just one of several Putin-linked Oligarchs the FBI tried to flip.

    nearly all of whom, like Mr. Deripaska, depend on President Vladimir V. Putin to maintain their wealth, the officials said. -NYT



    Central to the recruiting effort were two central players in the Trump-Russia investigation; twice-demoted DOJ #4 official Bruce Ohr and Christopher Steele - the author of the largely unverified "Steele Dossier." Steele, a longtime associate of Ohr's, worked for Deripaska beginning in 2012 researching a business rival - work which would evolve to the point where the former British spy was interfacing with the Obama administration on his behalf - resulting in Deripaska regaining entry into the United States, where he visited numerous times between 2009 and 2017.

    The State Department tried to keep him from getting a U.S. visa between 2006 and 2009 because they believed he had unspecified connections to criminal elements in Russia as he consolidated power in the aluminum industry. Deripaska has denied those allegations...

    Whatever the case, it is irrefutable that after he began helping the FBI, Deripaska regained entry to the United States. And he visited numerous times between 2009 and 2017, visa entry records show. -The Hill





    Deripaska is now banned from the United States as one of several Russians sanctioned in April in response to alleged 2016 election meddling. In a September 2016 meeting, Deripaska told FBI agents that it was "preposterous" that Paul Manafort was colluding with Russia to help Trump win the 2016 election. This, despite the fact that Deripaska and Manafort's business relationship "ended in lawsuits, per The Hill - and the Russian would have every reason to throw Manafort under the bus if he wanted some revenge on his old associate.

    So the FBI and DOJ secretly collaborated with Trump's alleged backchannel over a seven-year period, starting with Levinson, then on Deripaska's Visa, and finally regarding whether Paul Manafort was an intermediary to Putin. Deripaska vehemently denies the assertion, and even took out newspaper advertisements in the US last year volunteering to testify to Congress, refuting an AP report that he and Manafort secretly worked on a plan to "greatly benefit the Putin government" a decade ago.


    In short, Deripaska wants it known that he worked with the FBI and DOJ, and that he had nothing to do with the Steele dossier.

    Today, Deripaska is banned anew from the United States, one of several Russians sanctioned in April by the Trump administration as a way to punish Putin for 2016 election meddling. But he wants to be clear about a few things, according to a statement provided by his team. First, he did collude with Americans in the form of voluntarily assisting and meeting with the FBI, the DOJ and people such as Ohr between 2009 and 2016.

    He also wants Americans to know . -The Hill



    Interestingly, Steele's dossier which was partially funded by the Clinton campaign, relied on senior Kremlin officials.
    It would be most helpful if the Department of Justice could please investigate and then prosecute themselves and/or members of the previous administration, so that journalists like John Solomon, Sara Carter, Luke Rosiak, Chuck Ross and others don't have to continue to break stories that are seemingly ignored by all but a handful of Congressional investigators.
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    • Originally posted by AlabamAlum View Post
      Yeah, but Trump was gonna "drain the Swamp" and go away from career pols. That hasn't worked out too well. And he is responsible for who he hires. Blaming this on bad hires recommended by DC insiders with ulterior motives rests squarely on Trump's shoulders. The buck stops with him. Period.

      If by "deep state" we mean people who undermine or work against Trump's wishes, yeah, I have no problem believing that. I think it's obvious.
      I have to give him a pass for not knowing what is in the head of someone he doesn't know. quite literally.

      This individual(s) obviously want to keep their bias well hidden, and have gone to great lengths to do so. This person might not have been hired by Trump personally. Might have been one bad hire by an individual who made 400 great hires. Too many unknowns, but I see this as the fault of the individual(s) alone, it's not Trump's fault they are rat bastards.

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      • Krapture and his buddies...

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        I feel like I am watching the destruction of our democracy while my neighbors and friends cheer it on

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        • Woodward pp133: Sean Spicer...tried several times to persuade Mattis to appear on Sunday talk shows... The answer was always no.
          'Sean," Mattis finally said, "I've killed people for a living. If you call me again, I'm going to fucking send you to Afghanistan. Are we clear?"


          That is too Mattis for this excerpt to be fake.

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          • Originally posted by Kapture1 View Post

            I have to give him a pass for not knowing what is in the head of someone he doesn't know. quite literally.

            This individual(s) obviously want to keep their bias well hidden, and have gone to great lengths to do so. This person might not have been hired by Trump personally. Might have been one bad hire by an individual who made 400 great hires. Too many unknowns, but I see this as the fault of the individual(s) alone, it's not Trump's fault they are rat bastards.
            He, or the person he chose to vet and hire these folks, hired career government people recommended by DC insiders. And it's numerous leaks over many months. And it is continuing. One gets dizzy with the numver of appointments and turnover. No pass can be given, imo. He is responsible. Head is heavy that wears the crown, the buck stops here. I will drain the swamp. Etc.
            "The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln

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            • Head is heavy that wears the crown, the buck stops here. I will drain the swamp. Etc.


              I think you meant to say that you will swamp the drain?

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                • :::::::Spits coffee all over computer monitor::::::::


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                  • Mueller is the only one draining the swamp. And a tad on the slow side at that.
                    “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.†- Groucho Marx

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                    • Originally posted by AlabamAlum View Post

                      He, or the person he chose to vet and hire these folks, hired career government people recommended by DC insiders. And it's numerous leaks over many months. And it is continuing. One gets dizzy with the numver of appointments and turnover. No pass can be given, imo. He is responsible. Head is heavy that wears the crown, the buck stops here. I will drain the swamp. Etc.
                      one or two, or ten bad hires in the positions of over 1000 Senior Officials isn't a bad ratio. 1% or less. not bad considering it can never be 0%.

                      My coworker always throws turnover at me and I still to this day shrug. "OMG now McGahn is gone, unprecedented!" I pointed out to him that the average length of White House Counsel is actually shorter than the length of time McGahn will have been on the job. Doesn't matter. the last thing in the world I care about is a first time politician, taking over a entity that is basically the largest corporation on the planet with an annual operating budget of 4 trillion dollars in two months time making a few adjustments to his staff. I expect his turnover to be higher than a normal DC connected politician. period. It's not a slight against the president, it is the reality of the situation.


                      for the record, average tenure for White House counsel since FDR is 638 days, if McGahn stays to midterms, he will be at 655.
                      Last edited by Kapture1; September 6, 2018, 10:59 AM.

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                      • Cory Booker announced this morning that he was going to release emails involving Kavanaugh which "show" K was in favor of racial profiling and which were, under Senate rules, to remain confidential.

                        https://www.scribd.com/document/3879...anaugh-Hearing

                        First, I can't imagine why these can't be made public. I see no national security reasons or "uses and methods" that would be involved.

                        Second, I think these emails speak well for Kavanaugh. What I see is a level-headed lawyer talking about planned indifference. The other choice would be to back a racial preference program. Hopefully, when he is installed in the SC, he can do away with the whole concept of "the solution to racism is racism..." position of the progs.
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                        • Kapture,

                          The bad hires are critically bad hires for him. Astoundingly bad. And over a thousand? Last I heard there were fewer than 400 WH staffers total. What percent of those are senior? But you're saying Trump has over 1000 senior white house officials? Seems pretty high. Anyway, second thought, it doesn't really matter because we are not going to agree on this or Trump. We're wasting each other's time.
                          "The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln

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                          • Originally posted by AlabamAlum View Post
                            Kapture,

                            The bad hires are critically bad hires for him. Astoundingly bad. And over a thousand? Last I heard there were fewer than 400 WH staffers total. What percent of those are senior? But you're saying Trump has over 1000 senior white house officials? Seems pretty high. Anyway, second thought, it doesn't really matter because we are not going to agree on this or Trump. We're wasting each other's time.
                            There is over 1000 "Senior Officials" in the administration, as this OpEd writter claims to be, he never said he was White House staff.

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                            • But if he is taking papers off the president's desk before he sees them, don't you think it's likely that he is a WH Senior Staff member? I mean, access to the Oval is fairly guarded.
                              "The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln

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                              • Fairly guarded while the president is in the Oval, sure. I don't know what access to the office is among senior administration officials when he is not there.
                                Last edited by Kapture1; September 6, 2018, 11:39 AM.

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