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**Hannibal** · November 11, 2015, 12:21 PM

The thing about really dumb ideas is that once every 20-30 years a fresh new crop of young, na?ve imbeciles is available to digest ideas that were rejected by the previous generation. Out of control political correctness is nothing new. Universities were imposing speech codes a few decades ago that were later found to be unconstitutional. It has now come full circle once again. This time it is somewhat worse though, as now it has creeped into other segments of society where it is becoming more firmly entrenched.

Originally posted by entropy View Post

wait until this spills over into employment...

It already has. Corporate America is pretty much completely pozzed at this point. Even my company, which is very old fashioned and run by Conservative Republicans and Libertarians, has fully embraced Political Correctness and aggressively discriminates against white people with regards to recruiting college graduates.

**Da Geezer** · November 11, 2015, 05:57 PM

Hanni:

You are now paying the price for your "white privilege" Those higher on the victimology scale, your ethical superiors, have to be the ones to point that out to you.

What Is 'White Privilege'?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/11/what-is-white-privilege/

The president of University of Missouri, Tim Wolfe, had to go. He had to go because he benefitted from “white privilege.”

some late night reading.

**Ghengis Jon** · November 11, 2015, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by Da Geezer View Post

I have not heard you yet regarding the Patriot Act, but I hope to.

My good friend Jeff was tugging my chain a bit. On a political forum, I really unloaded on the so-called Patriot Act. It is, imho, a bell weather action that clearly herald's America's transformation into a fascist society. I won't repeat it here as I, especially as a mod, should abide by the no politics/religion rule. But it pains me greatly that both sides of the political aisle support that neo-nazi legislation. I guess it just proves that power corrupts and those in power will not relinquish it willingly.

Did you read the other day that a court had to order the NSA to stop collecting phone data of the tiny number of people who filed suit against the NSA for invasion of privacy? Sheesh. That is what America has become. And I cry.

**entropy** · November 12, 2015, 11:28 AM

The parties are more alike than people think... at least in action.

**Rocky Bleier** · November 12, 2015, 11:44 AM

They're two crime families trying to get control of their mob. Government is organized crime on steroids.

**entropy** · November 12, 2015, 01:39 PM

Crying Wolfe Exposes Real Problem

http://j.school/post/133025099640/crying-wolfe-exposes-real-problem

Chicago buried nine-year-old Tyshawn Lee on Tuesday. Police allege gang members lured the boy into an alley and executed him in a revenge killing aimed at his father. Father Michael Pfleger, a white minister in a predominantly black Chicago community, eulogized Lee and castigated our society, blaming the boy’s death on our “lost conscience.” How can we argue? The execution of an innocent black boy draws the attention of a handful of local dignitaries while the death of a black teenager foolish enough to wrestle a cop for control of a gun helps foment unrest on a nearby college campus seven months after then-attorney general Eric Holder destroyed the fallacy of “Hands Up Don’t Shoot.” Lies stacked on top of lies create the bullshit we’re witnessing in Columbia, Missouri. Clever faculty members, in my opinion, baited a small group of misguided black students into stirring a racial shitstorm strong enough to attract Twitter-addicted journalists looking for their next relevancy hit off the Black Lives Matter crack pipe. The absurdity of the past week at Mizzou couldn’t be duplicated on South Park. A 25-year-old, “Fresh Prince” black grad student threatened to starve himself to death under the pretense that the school president hadn’t done enough to stop unidentified white men from uttering the N-word when passing by in trucks and carving swastikas with poop. The white liberal, Ta-Nehisi Coates-quoting mafia declared Mizzou an unsafe space and a hostile killing field for blacks and opened their media platforms to any person willing to share a story about hearing the N-word while in Columbia the past 50 years. “Cry Wolfe!” is how this entire episode should be remembered. Liberal academics talked black kids into crying wolf over racially tinged rude behavior so an unpopular president would be unseated. Adult professors who should be educating kids on the continuing damage of institutional racism, instead built a human shield around a tent city set up to host the starvation of an N-word fighter disguised as a freedom fighter. A redneck showing his ass with verbal garbage while driving a truck isn’t racism. It’s a redneck showing his ass. Racism is a system of exploitation rooted in race. The NCAA amateurism charade is a solid example. Walter Byers, the white conservative modern architect of the NCAA, described the system he created this way in his 1997 memoir: “Today the NCAA Presidents Commission is preoccupied with tightening a few loose bolts in a worn machine, firmly committed to the neo-plantation belief that the enormous proceeds from the college games belong to the overseers (administrators) and supervisors (coaches). The plantation workers performing in the arena may only receive those benefits authorized by the overseers.” You’d think if the Missouri football players were going to strike, they’d choose NCAA amateurism as their cause, not the homecoming king’s hurt feelings. And you’d think if the son of a millionaire was going to threaten to end his life over an injustice, he’d choose an inspiration more heart-wrenching than a poop-stained Nazi symbol. Why not choose Tyshawn Lee? Ask one of those liberal academics to explain the connection between mass incarceration and gang violence. They go together like peanut butter and jelly. The ruthless, gang-related execution of a black child is a direct outgrowth of mass incarceration and its corrosive impact on morality, decency and humanity. Concerned Student 1950 needs to ask Mizzou’s liberal academics to carry them to Tyshawn Lee’s neighborhood and create a safe space there. Seriously. Assimilated, spoiled black kids showing up on modern college campuses and pretending they’re standing on the Edmund Pettus Bridge in 1965 is f—ing embarrassing. What’s worse is assimilated, spoiled black journalists selling the righteousness of their cause. Columbia ain’t our problem. Chicago is. This quad is not the place in most need of a safe space. That’s not a statement vouching for the purity of Columbia. It’s rational, mature acknowledgment that there are not, never have been and never will be any safe spaces on earth free of rude, uncomfortable behavior by humans. We’re flawed. We do dumb shit. The appropriate questions for the kids, the journalists and their white, liberal enablers/manipulators are: 1) Which area is more in need of a safe space, Mizzou’s campus or Lee’s neighborhood? 2) Why are liberals pouring the most energy and passion into policing the safest space? 3) Why have those same liberals declared war on the very people and profession (police) they call at the first sign of trouble in the most unsafe space? It’s all enough to make you think they don’t really have the best interest of black folk in mind. Let me remind you again: In general, African-Americans are the most religious people in America. We are traditionally conservative, which does not mean Republican. The black church, where Father Pfleger serves, has always looked first to create safe spaces where black people live. I’m not evangelizing. I’m trying to show you who’s on your Day 1 team and who’s driving a limousine offering rides to tokens willing to be used as pawns. I’m also trying to avoid ridiculing millennials. Whatever their shortcomings are, they’re a reflection of previous generations’ failures. We turned the education of our best and brightest kids over to predominantly white schools. We allowed them to abandon the black church. It’s not difficult to understand why they can’t distinguish between rude behavior and racism. Liberal elites define racism as “code words” and “dog whistles” and the utterance of the N-word by white people. They reduced racism to a language. Martin Luther King Jr., Rosa Parks, Thurgood Marshall and our Greatest Generation defined racism as laws and policy. Teach that in your home, at your church and at school and there won’t be another smokescreen, racial circus the next time faculty decide to overthrow a high-ranking administrator. I’d suggest the media teach it, too, but I can’t reduce the message to a 140-character tweet. Photo credits: Michael B. Thomas/Getty Images (top and bottom)

Interesting article by Whitlock on Missouri... if nothing else it makes you think about where we should focus.

**Jeff Buchanan** · November 12, 2015, 02:36 PM

Excellent piece. Thanks for posting.

I'm not sure I can elaborate. One thing I will say is that when I first heard of this I applauded the protest as a sound populace tactic akin to the antiwar demonstrations that were common on M's campus in the 60s.

I'm ashamed I said that. This is nothing of the sort and Whitlock has broadened the dialogue with his take.

Entropy, where should we aim our focus? Very hard question to answer. I do not agree with Whitlock's premise that mass incarceration is the fundamental problem. It plays, but it is not fundamental.

I'd offer that creeping impoverization on a massive scale is fundamental. I once read an academic article on it written by a law student given to me by a social liberal trying to convert me from my conservatism. It took me a while to find it.

For those interested in plodding through this piece it is interesting IVO the Whitlock declarations on mass incarcerations.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Creepi.....-a0170233732

**Da Geezer** · November 12, 2015, 03:04 PM

First, I figured this was the place where we could talk politics. By that I don't mean promoting a particular candidate, but ideas have to have some place to see the light.

Jon: I was with the FBI when the Patriot Act was passed. Then, and to this day, I have never met an agent who favored the law. Most of these people are dedicated to the Constitution, and they have no problem getting court order if they show "probable cause". The courts that the PA established are merely rubber stamps to circumvent the Fifth Amendment. I think I heard that out of 10,000 requested warrants, 12 were denied. You are correct, but rather than fascist, I'd say totalitarian. Maybe that is a distinction without a difference, but I happen to believe the entire 20th century was a long war against totalitarianism.

You correctly quote Lord Acton in saying that "power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely" Acton then goes on to say that those who believe that man is good, the socialists, are always looking for the right person to give power to so that we will have heaven on earth. But if you believe man is evil, as does Christianity and capitalism, then you want to "atomize" power wherever possible.

The Patriot Act gives those in power in the US a huge hammer to beat on folks that might not agree with the elite, as Entropy, says. Washington is fighting about who is allowed to exercise the weapons, but there is no fundamental disagreement about the existence of the weapons. IMHO, the IRS is the most dangerous of the "law enforcers" because the citizen must prove innocence without a jury. That is profoundly anti-American.

**entropy** · November 12, 2015, 03:04 PM

I'm going to state that I believe there were some real campus issues at Missouri.. and this was less about the reaction at the parade or other recent events, but rather about a a lot of little things over time. I don't know what the University has done for diversity promotion or even awareness by students... it's an unknown to me, but I do believe this has been building. I also don’t claim to know what it is like to be black in the United States…

You cannot stop someone from using the N word as they drive by.. impossible. And the idea of safe zones, imo, focus on ending communication rather than encouraging it.. I do believe a lot of people just don't understand and they don't have cruel intentions. Students dressing up with black face to celebrate a movie character may just not understand the history and actually are just ignorant. Educating them and helping them understand would be better for everyone over keeping them in the dark.. imo.. Instead of having that conversation, we’d rather avoid it or demonize it. As great as twitter and FB are in sharing information and keeping in touch, it really has become (again in my opinion) the biggest source of our cultural decay.

As for focus, I’d start with changing the dialogue. Has anyone else notice news anchors seem more likely to identify a black criminal as black than identify a white criminal as white? I don’t know if it is just me but it seems the news likes to emphasize one race over the other. We need kids to feel safer and really find ways to reward them for doing the right things outside of sports instead of ignoring their potential and what they’ve done. That’s a lot tougher, but it’s time for some honest dialogue and blame sharing. We need to do a better job of cops not making black kids feel like they are targeted and guilty until proven innocent. Cops need to be part of the communities not viewed as outside them. I don’t think worrying about someone saying the N word is going to solve systemic racism… But this is really a tough answer. If it was easy, it would have been solved. Your thoughts?

**entropy** · November 12, 2015, 03:08 PM

I'm not a tea party fan (and I'm not interested in the dabate about the group.. I agree we should keep parties out of it.. ) but I'll mention that for this reason: targeting them by the IRS was wrong. It's a very dangerous slope. I think when morality is based upon party lines, we all lose.

**Da Geezer** · November 12, 2015, 03:27 PM

Entropy: Thanks for that piece by Whitlock.

As I've said here before, I took part in the "police riot" protest in Chicago in 1968. We were protesting the Vietnam War, and also the draft. Part of the Vietnam protest movement included the statistical fact that the poor, who were less able to go to college to get a deferment, were overrepresented in those drafted. This is to Liney point about the impoverization (wonderful word that) that has gone on in the US over the last 50 years or so. By the way, there was an enormous boom in the matriculation to seminaries in the late 60's, because that gave you another 3 years.

So in 1968 we were protesting Vietnam, but also racial discrimination. These were issues that had slightly more gravitas than not having a safe space where no one could insult you. I was protesting because I didn't want to get my ass shot for no discernable reason, and I figured that other guys that didn't want to get their ass shot were right. We all knew of rich guys who got a low number in the lottery and got into the National Guard. That is what GW Bush did. His father, in contrast, enlisted in the Navy on his 18th birthday to fight the Japs, and GHW Bush was the son of a senator. A different generation, and a profoundly different threat.

I am personally insulted that these pussies are protesting words or symbols.

I have always hoped, simply because kids tend to want to develop differing beliefs than their parents, that we might see conservatism rise on campus. I doubt it will. Churchill had it right: "If you are not a liberal when you are young, you have no heart. If you are not a conservative when you are old, you have no brain."

As to how to address the problem, I favor one-on-one discussion about race. I asked my black dorm mate why blacks lay out in the sun, and it is because it makes them lighter or "bright". I was the President of a public school board during the fracus over the Stars and Bars being flown over the SC statehouse. We had a black Super, and he had played semi-pro football. He about came out of his seat when I asked him what he thought about the issue. He simply said "that is the flag of slavery and I hate it...". I immediately decided if a man I had the highest regard for felt that strongly, I'd support him. My point is that person to person, rather in groups, both black and white folks seem to be reasonable. 100,000 UM fans across from 100,000 OSU fans will create animosity. My minister graduated from OSU, and when I went to him to confess one particular sin (rooting for OSU during during the playoffs) he willingly granted absolution. I believe we can turn racism around person to person. I believe friendship comes from talk.

**lineygoblue** · November 12, 2015, 03:49 PM

hmmmm....

Guys, you're about to subject me to a butt-chewing again, for "not enforcing forum rules uniformly" ...

The discussion is quite civil, and I trust my fellow mods to carry the discussion as you see fit.

I'm staying out of it for now. Jeff and Jon, .. this is your call.

**entropy** · November 12, 2015, 03:54 PM

if it needs to end, understand.

**lineygoblue** · November 12, 2015, 04:07 PM

Ent - I have no problem with the discussion, as long as it continues its present course.

I trust Jon and Jeff to moderate it properly if necessary.

**Jeff Buchanan** · November 12, 2015, 04:09 PM

Until I find some good reason to shut it off, this discussion continues. However, it is a both illuminating and a serious one and not the place for silliness or name calling. None of that has happened ..... yet ..... let's keep working on it continuing civilly. To that end if you feel you don't have something to contribute to the dialogue here just don't visit or post.

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