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  • The State of North Carolina has lost its gerrymandering case in US District Court. It's a big 200-page decision so I don't, and probably won't, have time to read it all. Just at a glance, it seems to slam NC Republicans pretty good early on.

    On Jan. 9, 2018, the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of North Carolina granted full relief from the state's gerrymandered maps, in a victory for the state's voters.

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    • Who knows what Fox State News will show now that more of their conspiracies are debunked...

      https://www.vox.com/2018/1/9/1687010...ony-transcript
      Did Feinstein release the part where Fusion GPS took the fifth? Probably not. I guess if it comes down to Fox or vox....

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      • 1. I shared the source for the statistics and several times invited you to take a look.

        2. What does YOUR wife do? What's her favorite colour? Do you have any daughters? What do they do? Where do they have financial accounts, and for how long have they lived at their primary residences?
        I'm just trying to figure a reason anyone would think that regulation is the first order of business if someone goes into the garbage business. It goes along with your hatred of anything in the private sector UNTIL those same actors join the government and then they are all goodness and light.

        I figure your wife is a regulator or a lobbyist. Why else would anyone live in DC? I think you are ass-deep in government pay and that is why you think regulation is the first order of business for any government. I also know you are unable to make a living for yourself, or at least is what you have implied, so you must be supported by your wife.

        I'm not married. My wife died giving birth to my daughter 36 years ago.

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        • 1. I shared the source for the statistics and several times invited you to take a look.
          You most certainly did not. I read everything you post. You have a habit of making up statistics and putting them in your posts. That might work for a "journalist" in the Acela Zone, but I have been consistent in asking for proofs if something sounds goofy. I do the same with DSL.

          But DSL usually has some link that leads him to his conclusions. Hack, you're simply a liar who is either unwilling or unable to post stuff he constantly refers to.

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          • Originally posted by Da Geezer View Post
            Did Feinstein release the part where Fusion GPS took the fifth? Probably not. I guess if it comes down to Fox or vox....
            Given that was before the house and not the senate probably not.

            And it doesn't "come down" to shit. He said what he said. Read the fucking thing, or don't, it's no skin off my nose.
            To be a professional means that you don't die. - Takeru "the Tsunami" Kobayashi

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            • Narrator: he won't read it

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              • The most shocking thing about it were the questions from the republican side. Almost no questions about the actual Russian meddling. It was all geared towards trying (unsuccessfully) to crest an issue where none exists.

                It was also interesting that Simpson made his bones as a journalist reporting on China's efforts to impact elections by funneling campaign cash to democrats. You know, back when republicans liked to pretend to care about foreign meddling in elections.
                To be a professional means that you don't die. - Takeru "the Tsunami" Kobayashi

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                • Geezer once was a guy who really would click the link and read through to the end. Something changed. Now he refuses to look, won't even read through the links he himself posts, and claims I make up stats. Classy. Anyhoo, Geezer, I've been pretty open about why I'm here in the past, when the questions didn't come with a creepy vibe (to me and to others here, apparently). So either regain your old charm, if I may call it that, and try again later, or start scrolling upthread.

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                  • The momentum is clear. Solar is in many areas of the world the cheapest way to produce power. Shell's CEO says he's gonna buy an electric car. Half of new-car sales in petrostate Norway are electric. No new Volvos from '19 will be solely internal-combustion engines. The invisible hand is guiding us in a very clear direction.

                    Hopefully this atavistic nonsense about coal can be put to bed, in part because we should have a smarter debate about nuclear. I'm for it. IMO the hypothetical risks pale in comparison to the certainties that come with fossil fuels.

                    Obviously for me personally the climate-change debate is all that really and truly matters, but for the US the byproducts are massive in foreign policy. Tank the oil price by moving on and you kneecap most of the most significantly bellicose actors out there.
                    Nonsense. You can't possibly think that is true.

                    You greenies never count the cost of having fossil fuel generating capacity for when the sun is not out and the wind doesn't blow. The only time in which we will actually be able to compare costs between fossil fuel and green energy is when batteries are developed to store green energy for the down times. What the US government has done is give decades of subsidy to solar/wind (I'm calling it green) electrical production, even going so far as to force traditional sources of energy production to "purchase" excess energy from green production. In a market system, the dominant producers would have long ago put the green producers out of business. Forbes did a piece in 2014 about green production, and how relatively little it is compared to traditional production:https://www.forbes.com/sites/christo.../#3d7aad2a6ebb.

                    If green production is so important, why has the environmental movement been tearing out dams all over the country and bragging about it. I guess they have saved the snail darter, but at what cost? It seems to me that if you were trying to produce electricity without having CO2, hydro and nuclear would have been the way to go. But the Greens are death on either option. Why do you suppose that is?

                    IMO, the emphasis on solar and wind is because it takes a lot more people (79) to make as much energy as one person making energy using traditional methods. From R.U.R. that I read back in the 60s, socialists have always posited that we have to figure out a way to provide an occupation for masses of persons who will be displaced by technology. That is the real reason for the green energy "revolution".

                    And, as Hack says, this all comes back to anthropogenic CO2 causing global warming, which is an article of faith among the statists. They want control, they want to take our liberty, and "climate change" is the current excuse.

                    That is why the coal price is so high and why China and India are importing it from the US as fast as they can.
                    Last edited by Da Geezer; January 9, 2018, 10:19 PM.

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                    • Nobody said only solar should be used. Make a valid argument. Follow along. Understand the concept and what has been said about it first.

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                      • Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
                        Trump agrees with Feinstein's "clean bill" DACA proposal before panicky Republicans intervene

                        https://twitter.com/davidmackau/stat...98611587174401
                        Only someone that didn't watch the entire thing thinks that. He made clear that his clean DACA bill includes boarder security, chain migration and lottery. To him there is no such thing as DACA by itself.
                        Either someone wasn't paying attention to the first 30 min or they are lying to you. Which do you think it is?

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                        • Toyota, Mazda to invest 1,600,000,000 in US MAGAfacturing. What magic wand does he have?

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                          • Crash ..... two things:

                            (1) While expectations for regulatory easing and tax breaks that Trump has championed have caused the value of equities to rise, I will guarantee you that there will be a 10% correction at some point during Trump's term. What will his explanation be?

                            (2) 52% of Americans own stocks (includes IRAs and 401Ks). That number is sharply down since before 2008. The distribution of stock ownership by income, however, is quite dramatic. The highest income earners have benefited the most while the bottom income levels have barely benefited at all.

                            These kinds of inequality issues are going to have a major impact in the Presidential race come 2020 and while the right will attribute this to the liberal press blowing this out of proportion, there is no denying that significant inequalities among Americans exist..... income, opportunity and healthcare among them.
                            Jeff, that article you posted should be read by everyone. But I'll deal with the two points you make.

                            1) The actual definition of a "correction" IS a drop of 10% or more. I agree that will happen. It always does. Always has. Always will. But I disagree with you in the respect that deregulation has had a personal impact on my business. I'm sure the tax cuts will positively affect the economy (although, I will be paying more since my assets are real estate, dammit). Until the tax bill was signed, the increase in the stock market was based on deregulation and expectations of a tax cut. Now, the tax cut is a reality. IMO, the single most important effect of the tax cut will be to teach this generation of darned fool socialists the power of the free market, and of free people using their own money to better their lives. Every generation has to learn that truth for itself. Kennedy did it, Reagan did it, and now Trump is doing it. And it works every time. All this gibberish you read on this forum about "extending trend lines" is just trolling. When, under Obama, did the stock market move up 35% in a year (keeping in mind that the denominator was almost halved owing to the Community-Redevelopment-Act-inspired housing collapse)? When did Obama achieve a year of 3% growth in GDP? Never. His was the administration of "secular stagnation" of 1.9% growth. Before him was JImmy Carter with his "malaise" speech. Reagan fixed that.

                            2) I'd really appreciate your posting where you got your information that 52% of Americans own stock, and how much is down from 2008. 54 million Americans have a 501(c)(3) and 43 Million have an IRA. (I'm sure there is some overlap). How many people owned stock in 2008? And where do you get that information?

                            But, just assuming arguendo that what you say is true, half the country has benefitted in the past year by the run-up in stock prices. That's great. It makes pension plans more solvent, and it has increased the total wealth in the US by 7.2 Trillion dollars as of this morning. How is this bad??? That is good for everyone.

                            I understand you will always come back to "Social Justice" which, as Jonah Goldberg always says is just another way of saying "income redistribution". If you believe in income redistribution, then say it loud and proud like Hack does. But know that that is the essence of Socialism. PLEASE watch this video:
                            [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtBvQj2k6xo"]What is Social Justice? - YouTube[/ame]
                            Last edited by Da Geezer; January 9, 2018, 11:03 PM.

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                            • Toyota, Mazda to invest 1,600,000,000 in US MAGAfacturing. What magic wand does he have?
                              Yup. And the list of companies who are giving their employees a raise or a bonus now runs to 15 pages, single-spaced.

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                              • Switch Z on Edwards. Is in the zone.

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