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I don't know if there is a problem, although I suspect there is. With that said, I think it's a legitimate question that should be investigated and considered. It seems like Team Red largely refuses to do so.Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.
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Why is it no problem because they were armed? Should have Philando Castille expected to be killed because he was carrying a gun?
We know AAs aren't more likely to be shot than other races, including whites. Until Progs relent and acknowledge that fact, there is no discussion.
Same can be said about Red folks and frequency of stops.
IMO, the rhetoric and increasing way politics bleeds into self won't ever let that happen. Conceding "Hands Up Don't Shoot" is a hoax means agreeing with Team Red. Conceding AAs DO have a rougher go of it with police means agreeing with Team Blue. Meanwhile the perfectly sensible middle has no say.Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.
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For the 10 years I had season tickets at Ford Field, the loud, drunk, white assholes who sat behind me disrespected the national anthem a lot more than silent, kneeling players have done for a cause they deem just. I'd guess those are probably some of the same ones booing and claiming this is a great affront to our country.
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Originally posted by iam416 View PostI think it's fairly clear crash was generalizing. But, whatever.
We know AAs aren't more likely to be shot than other races, including whites. Until Progs relent and acknowledge that fact, there is no discussion.
Same can be said about Red folks and frequency of stops.
IMO, the rhetoric and increasing way politics bleeds into self won't ever let that happen. Conceding "Hands Up Don't Shoot" is a hoax means agreeing with Team Red. Conceding AAs DO have a rougher go of it with police means agreeing with Team Blue. Meanwhile the perfectly sensible middle has no say.To be a professional means that you don't die. - Takeru "the Tsunami" Kobayashi
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ALL lives matter
So if "progs" concede that police are murdering white dudes to
But, you know exactly what I said. An honest discussion about race-based policing has to dispense with the rhetoric talk about what is actually happening.Last edited by iam416; September 25, 2017, 12:52 PM.Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.
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Originally posted by iam416 View PostI think it's fairly clear crash was generalizing. But, whatever.
We know AAs aren't more likely to be shot than other races, including whites. Until Progs relent and acknowledge that fact, there is no discussion.
Same can be said about Red folks and frequency of stops.
IMO, the rhetoric and increasing way politics bleeds into self won't ever let that happen. Conceding "Hands Up Don't Shoot" is a hoax means agreeing with Team Red. Conceding AAs DO have a rougher go of it with police means agreeing with Team Blue. Meanwhile the perfectly sensible middle has no say.
You are putting an awful lot of weight in that Harvard study that the Times used. It might be totally right, but it's data set was very small and more studies need to be done to get a comfort level. It was based on 10 police departments.
One of the problems that this study is that they don't have real good data on police killings at all.
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You are putting an awful lot of weight in that Harvard study
The Harvard study was surprised (bordering on shocked) by its findings re shootings. I was not.
It was based on 10 police departmentsDan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.
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Also, while Heather MacDonald is a staunch "blue lives matter" writer, and I suspect the study she cites re willingness of police to shoot folks based on their race has some holes (crash's WaPo link), there could be more truth to it than I think. I dunno -- I don't link it or rely on it -- but I also don't totally discount it.Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.
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Froot/SLF:
You're good people. You've thought about shit. Your takes aren't without merit. We disagree. Np. In fact, I'm way more comfortable with that than my apparent agreement with The Wizard.
So, you know what I'm going to say on most things as I've said it all a dozen times.
tl;dr -- covered all this; loading up for DTV rantDan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.
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Originally posted by iam416 View PostIt also conforms to general statistics -- AAs are 4X more likely to be felons than white folks and less than 4X less likely to be shot. It also conforms to the statistics in the study that are negative to the police -- i.e., AAs are far more likely to have interactions with the police (stops, etc). If you have increased interactions with a much higher rate of bad people then it seems almost obvious that macro results will be what they are.
OK, but the shitty "war on drugs" is to blame for a lot of that 4x re: blacksAtlanta, GA
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OK, but the shitty "war on drugs" is to blame for a lot of that 4x re: blacks
So, I mean, the point still stands if you excise non-violent felonies.
Now, the whole discussion in incarcerating folks for non-violent drug crimes is another issue. There's lot to it (IMO), but I probably come out with you re "shitty".Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.
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I think the matter needs to have a lot more data. I'm not sure if it was the Ferguson report or the reporting on Ferguson by Radley Balko. The data can be badly interpreted, if you have a local police force squeezing it's citizenry with bs to pay for a budget and they can't so they have a record or a warrant out for them they might fall into the same category with an actual real bad person.
But in regards to the Kaepernick issue, nobody really protests or speaks out only when the data affirms their suspicions. Most people who lead protests are flawed, most protests don't lead to any meaningful change at all. As far as protests go, this one has drawn attention, it doesn't really have a leader. It is similar to stuff that Muhammad Ali was doing back in the day, but he would speak to the issues. You need to be able to break through the noise and you need an effective spokesman. Especially now that Trump weighed in, if it becomes just anti-Trump, then get in line.
When Sasse says he wishes they would find a more effective way to protest or bring attention misses the point. Unless the point is do something that he can promptly ignore.
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