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  • What significant third party? Gary Johnson and his 3%? Johnson was also running in 2012 and got less than 1%. If he counts as significant then it's only because disgust with Trump made him that way.

    The maps demonstrate that each of the last 3 GOP candidates performed better among the voter eligible population in more states.
    You make my point for me. If there are more non-(R+D) votes as a percentage, there are less (R+D) votes as a percentage, and the percentage of (R+D) votes in 2016 was down. For example, there were 5.6% "other" party votes in 2016 and only 2% in 2012. It is mathematically incorrect to say that Romney did better than Trump in (say by 47-46) when there is a variable like third party voting unaccounted for.

    The charts make sense only in a 2-party race.

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    • Originally posted by Da Geezer View Post
      You make my point for me. If there are more non-(R+D) votes as a percentage, there are less (R+D) votes as a percentage, and the percentage of (R+D) votes in 2016 was down. For example, there were 5.6% "other" party votes in 2016 and only 2% in 2012. It is mathematically incorrect to say that Romney did better than Trump in (say by 47-46) when there is a variable like third party voting unaccounted for.

      The charts make sense only in a 2-party race.
      It's a function of Trump's weakness as a candidate (and incidentally, Clinton too) that he could not draw a higher % of the population than Romney, McCain, or Bush in those certain states. Gary Johnson was the same person in 2016 that he was in 2012. He got a higher share of the vote because Trump and CLinton were weaker options than Obama and Romney in 2012.

      Romney got 59.59% of the Kansas vote in 2012. Trump got 56.16%. To say that Trump did as well or better there than Romney because of Gary Johnson's awesome campaign is pretty ridiculous.

      Third parties do well mainly because the major party candidates are weak. And it's a stretch to say 3% is 'doing well'

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      • Here ya go Hanni. Netanyahu denounces Russia-brokered ceasefire. So the Trump White House is defying Israel with this plan. Is that in America's interests or not?

        Truce deal 'very bad,' senior official says ■ Iran said planning to send substantial military forces to Syria, establish air force, navy bases there ■ Macron: France ready to address Hezbollah threat to Israel

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        • US Intelligence believes the UAE hacked Qatari govt. websites and planted damaging stories. Per WashPo

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          • Trump team thought Obamacare Repeal would be done by March. Wildly overestimated how easy it would be. Republicans in Congress warn: tax reform will be tougher

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            • Dear DJT:

              Checks. Balances. Other nonsense. It ain't easy to just pass shit.

              Sincerely,
              James Fucking Madison
              Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
              Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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              • James Madison is a Beta.

                Sad!

                - Donald Fucking Trump

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                • shaddup
                  Shut the fuck up Donny!

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                  • It's a function of Trump's weakness as a candidate (and incidentally, Clinton too) that he could not draw a higher % of the population than Romney, McCain, or Bush in those certain states.
                    If you apply your logic, and use the 1992 election, you will come out with Hillary being a far better candidate than Bill. In fact, you come out with all Dem candidates since being better since Bill took "only" 42% in 1992. No real sense in arguing, but your "outcomes" are dependent on the share of the vote in each state that went to candidates other than the Dems and Reps.

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                    • Originally posted by froot loops View Post
                      It's seems like Donnie Two Scoops won't be visiting Britain anytime soon.

                      BRAZEN Donald Trump urged the PM to “fix it” for him to get a warm welcome in Britain. And he warned he won’t set foot here until the public start liking him. The US President made his shameless pl…

                      What a snowflake.

                      Seriously though, I've always thought this was probably going to be the one thing that he gets tired of and maybe forces him to quit - just all the bad press, people criticizing him, protestors, etc. You could see it before he even won the election - he doesn't want all the responsibility, he doesn't want the job. He'll end up quitting, blaming the swamp or some shit, then spend the rest of his life doing big rallies, making appearances on TV, etc., so he can let his base stroke him.
                      Last edited by Mainevent; July 17, 2017, 01:06 PM.

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                      • He's been surrounded by yes men and suckups in his business life. No one tells the emperor about his new clothes or their cash cow/job goes away. It started with his inauguration when he berated his staff for not all (in chorus) claiming it was the largest in history. Trump comes from a world where he states what reality is and his minions blindly agree. Not so in Presidential politics. He's not adjusting to reality outside of Trumpland.
                        “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

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                        • another little Clinton foundation tidbit

                          don't believe so much in the Clinton gangs ability to make others sleep with the fishes
                          but I do remember hatians have been screaming for 10 years about what a rip off it was after the earthquake

                          "50-YR OLD HAITI OFFICIAL, Slated To Testify Against Clinton Foundation Corruption Next Week, Found DEAD In Miami With ?Gunshot to the head?

                          It?s no secret that the Clinton Foundation has been facing credible reports of robbing impoverished Haitians who were devastated by Hurricane Hanna in 2008, through their ?foundation.? Haitians have been protesting for years outside of the Clinton Foundation offices over the theft of money that was donated by individuals and businesses to the Clinton Foundation that never made it to the poorest of the poor.

                          One man was set to testify against the Clinton Foundation next week. That man was 50 year old former Haitian government official Klaus Eberwein. He was found dead in his Miami home with a ?gunshot to the head? that?s been ruled a ?suicide? by the Miami-Dade?s medical examiner records supervisor. (Think Vince Foster)

                          Klaus Eberwein, a former Haitian government official who was expected to expose the extent of Clinton Foundation corruption and malpractice next week, has been found dead in Miami. He was 50.

                          Eberwein was due to appear next Tuesday before the Haitian Senate Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission where he was widely expected to testify that the Clinton Foundation misappropriated Haiti earthquake donations from international donors.

                          Eberwein, who had acknowledged his life was in danger, was a fierce critic of the Clinton Foundation?s activities in the Caribbean island, where he served as director general of the government?s economic development agency, Fonds d?assistance ?conomique et social, for three years.

                          According to Eberwein, a paltry 0.6% of donations granted by international donors to the Clinton Foundation with the express purpose of directly assisting Haitians actually ended up in the hands of Haitian organizations. A further 9.6% ended up with the Haitian government. The remaining 89.8% ? or $5.4 billion ? was funneled to non-Haitian organizations.

                          ?The Clinton Foundation, they are criminals, they are thieves, they are liars, they are a disgrace,? Eberwein said at a protest outside the Clinton Foundation headquarters in Manhattan last year.



                          add one to the list

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                          • Take one off the list...



                            Former Haiti government official shoots himself in the head in Miami-area hotel
                            BY JACQUELINE CHARLES
                            jcharles@miamiherald.com


                            Klaus Eberwein, a former Haitian government official, was found dead Tuesday in a South Dade motel room in what the Miami-Dade medical examiner’s office is ruling a suicide.

                            “He shot himself in the head,” said Veronica Lamar, Miami-Dade medical examiner records supervisor. She listed his time of death at 12:19 p.m.

                            The address where Eberwein’s body was discovered according to police, 14501 S. Dixie Hwy., is a Quality Inn.

                            A supporter of former Haitian President Michel Martelly, Eberwein served as director general of the government’s economic development agency, Fonds d’assistance ?conomique et social, better known as FAES. He held the position from May 2012 until February 2015 when he was replaced. He was also a partner in a popular pizza restaurant in Haiti, Muncheez, and has a pizza — the Klaus Special — named after him.

                            “It’s really shocking,” said Muncheez’s owner Gilbert Bailly. “We grew up together; he was like family.”

                            Bailly said he last spoke to Eberwein, 50, two weeks ago and he was in good spirits. They were working on opening a Muncheez restaurant in Sunrise, he said.

                            But it appears that Eberwein had fallen on hard times. An Uber spokesperson confirmed that he worked as a driver for awhile in South Florida.

                            During and after his government tenure, Eberwein faced allegations of fraud and corruption on how the agency he headed administered funds. Among the issues was FAES’ oversight of shoddy construction of several schools built after Haiti’s devastating Jan. 12, 2010, earthquake.

                            Eberwein was scheduled to appear Tuesday before the Haitian Senate’s Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission, the head of the commission, Sen. Evali?re Beauplan confirmed. The commission is investigating the management of PetroCaribe funds, the money Haiti receives from Venezuela’s discounted oil program.
                            Last edited by CGVT; July 17, 2017, 02:00 PM.
                            I feel like I am watching the destruction of our democracy while my neighbors and friends cheer it on

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                              • Any idea why crash didn't add Peter Smith to the "list"?
                                To be a professional means that you don't die. - Takeru "the Tsunami" Kobayashi

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