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I've said this many times but this is why this is such a great forum. Thanks to talent, Stan and Geezer to credibly adding to the discussion.
To me, once it's been explained in terms I can digest and understand, deciding on the legality of the Immigration EO is a simple matter...... and I don't want to imply that language and the concept of "between the four corners" is not vitally important to how the Courts rule on the matter before them.
As a lay person, I'm in agreement with talent ..... the EO is bad but it should be allowed to stand. I also understand the subtleties in ruling based on the law versus the Scalia approach of originalism. I can see why Geezer isn't as Sanguine as talent is in predicting the outcome.
Anyway, the interesting dialogue on the facts here, is a welcome relief from the theater coming from both sides, a lot of it just strikingly inaccurate and misleading ..... and that's what bothers me.
The bigger picture is illuminated this way ......My gut tells me DJT - and that gut feeling is based on the crazy shit floating around out there about Trump since he took office - has no understanding of this particular EO and its implications to even the minimal depth of it that we've gotten to here.
Seems he lacks both the intelligence and the patience to want to deliberate and consider matters. He just wants to act and any mess he makes by that action, he'll worry about that later.
Like the entirety of the Bush crowd, to a lesser degree HW, those administrations aggravated the shit out of me by failing to understand that the people they are trying to persuade to their view of things are capable of weighing the information available, taking a position, and being comfortable with it.
Instead, in a calculated way, because those administrations were not made up of stupid people - they dumbed everything down and frequently misrepresented facts in intentional ways so that that their audience would see their preferred course of action favorably.
My concern is that the Trump administration isn't doing any of this in some well thought out way to achieve an end. DJT does not seem to me to be an intellectual or a thinker. None of the people around him have impressed me as particularly intellectual - save maybe SECDEF Mattis. So, you have this gaggle of actors making decisions, formulating policy and interacting with their international peers without regard to consequences and in ways that potentially put the US at risk.
To me, once it's been explained in terms I can digest and understand, deciding on the legality of the Immigration EO is a simple matter...... and I don't want to imply that language and the concept of "between the four corners" is not vitally important to how the Courts rule on the matter before them.
As a lay person, I'm in agreement with talent ..... the EO is bad but it should be allowed to stand. I also understand the subtleties in ruling based on the law versus the Scalia approach of originalism. I can see why Geezer isn't as Sanguine as talent is in predicting the outcome.
Anyway, the interesting dialogue on the facts here, is a welcome relief from the theater coming from both sides, a lot of it just strikingly inaccurate and misleading ..... and that's what bothers me.
The bigger picture is illuminated this way ......My gut tells me DJT - and that gut feeling is based on the crazy shit floating around out there about Trump since he took office - has no understanding of this particular EO and its implications to even the minimal depth of it that we've gotten to here.
Seems he lacks both the intelligence and the patience to want to deliberate and consider matters. He just wants to act and any mess he makes by that action, he'll worry about that later.
Like the entirety of the Bush crowd, to a lesser degree HW, those administrations aggravated the shit out of me by failing to understand that the people they are trying to persuade to their view of things are capable of weighing the information available, taking a position, and being comfortable with it.
Instead, in a calculated way, because those administrations were not made up of stupid people - they dumbed everything down and frequently misrepresented facts in intentional ways so that that their audience would see their preferred course of action favorably.
My concern is that the Trump administration isn't doing any of this in some well thought out way to achieve an end. DJT does not seem to me to be an intellectual or a thinker. None of the people around him have impressed me as particularly intellectual - save maybe SECDEF Mattis. So, you have this gaggle of actors making decisions, formulating policy and interacting with their international peers without regard to consequences and in ways that potentially put the US at risk.
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