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**Jeff Buchanan** · November 10, 2024, 09:27 AM

This team's most glaring problem is at the Quarterback position.........

I'm with you, Liney, Warde isn't firing Moore. But I think Moore's safe more because Warde and the M administration still sees the CFB world through the lens of the 80s-90s. The reality of the current CFB world is that head coaches are, fairly or not, on a very short leash. Moore has taken a team that was last year's BT Champion (the third straight) and 2023/24 NC and turned it into a bottom dweller of the expanded BT. There's no excuse for that and it's not just the QB position that is hurting. It's the OL, WRs and, on defense, corners. If there was ever a good reason to fire a CFB head coach making millions, It's what Moore has failed to do at M. In contrast, IN ONE SEASON, albeit with very different circumstances,Cignetti has deftly taken IU from BT bottom dweller to being on the precipice of winning the BT and/or making the new 12 team CFB play-off.

PORTAL NIL

Now, granted, there are a lot of reasons, good ones, that prevented Moore from assembling a better coaching staff and dipping into the portal to get offensive linemen, receivers, corners and a QB. Harbaugh's dawdling in making a clean break being one of them. So there is that reality in his favor. But Cignetti has demonstrated how to go about assembling a championship contender by plumbing the portal and finding good assistants.

For Moore, going forward and right out of the gate at season's end his number one goal ought to be finding the best assistants/coordinators money can buy. M can mobilize cash for that and to lure top players with talent and experience through the portal. It's not dirty, it's not tawdry, its modern CFB ...... a championship caliber team can be built from season to season. IU and Cignetti are proof of concept.

I definitely don't like the new reality. It's not sustainable but it is what it is and at present for the foreseeable future. M needs to step up and advantage it's football program by optimizing the current circumstances even if they are contrary to the long standing M football culture of "the team, the team, the team" and "those who stay will be champions." If Warde were to set goals for Moore like we are pretty sure he did when Harbaugh was struggling, they should include, first, reshaping his staff with great assistant coaches and, second going to that well, called the portal. M's administration has to recognize how the game of CFB is being played today and support and encourage the AD to use NIL to their advantage.

**klondike** · November 10, 2024, 10:33 AM

If UM had had an average qb, they probably win that game. It was a totally looking ahead game for Indiana. They just stunk in the second half l. Really, the only game all year they didn't dominate. It was bound to happen.

the defense for UM turned up too in the second half. Quite surprised as I thought they were on the verge of turning it in for the season. I guess the players and coaches deserve a little reprieve. They still lost to Indiana but moral victories count now.

will give Moore another couple more seasons probably, for what it's worth on the effort.

**Jeff Buchanan** · November 11, 2024, 05:03 PM

In his regular post-game article - this one on the IU/M matchup, Brian at mgo writes a credible assessment, so far, of Sheronne Moore's first season as HC. He identifies in game errors he made as well as Sheronne's role in M's offense, namely all of the following: sitting Mullings, the poor OL play at both tackle positions and letting Campbell develop the game plan for the offense, practicing it and executing play calls in game. It's been speculated here that Moore might, infact, have a hand in this chaotic cluster fuck of an offense - even worse if he has.

Brian concludes the portion of his article that deals with Moore's coaching with this:

There are a lot of reasons Michigan didn't win this game; at this point I'm more concerned about reasons the might not win future ones.

This is worth a read for the details he provides that support the rather dark assessment of M football going forward and specifically Moore's role in building to it. He offers no discussion on Moore's job security. Firing Moore is unwarranted and is not going to happen, IMO. BTW, Wink had a great game plan for his defense. He called a game that if M had even a moderately successful offense, one that was not as inept and made so, in large measure, by coaching, M wins something like 31 - 21.

On the defense:

Credit to Wink Martindale for putting together a game plan that bottled up an explosive offense. Kurtis Rourke hadn't been held under nine yards an attempt since the opener; Michigan held him to 7.4. Martindale barely blitzed, with a total of 15 back-seven pass rushes against 7 DEs dropping. The play of the game was specifically something I thought Martindale wouldn't have a good plan for—an RPO—on which Michigan baited Rourke into what could have been a pivotal turnover. I'm not sure Martindale can do much about Hill jumping routes and getting torched deep; this was an excellent game from him.

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11/9/2024 – Michigan 15, Indiana 20 – 5-5, 3-4 Big TenIn the past decade, football has undergone a revolution in fourth-down decision-making. Fifteen years ago Bill Belichick was roasted nationally when he decided he'd rather go for a fourth and two instead of give Peyton Manning the ball back, down six. Nowadays much of that criticism would be blunted by large professional news organizations pointing to their Fourth Down Decision-O-Matic. They'd wheel out their little robot, which would light up green and say CORRECT, and people would wander away muttering about conditional probabilities.This change was largely accomplished by people yelling on the internet. This site did quite a bit of it back in the day, when it seemed extremely important to do this yelling. To be honest we talked about it out of all proportion to its importance. Why? Because it was clear, and people were wrong.You don't get a lot of that in football. There are twenty-two people trying to murder each other on every play. Gameplans are created under security regimes the CIA would approve of. When you go back and look at plays, bad ideas are often good ideas that didn't get executed. This leads into a spiral of back-and-forth about whether players should be expected to execute in the situations they're put in, and your good solid cathartic complaining evaporates into a mess of uncertainty. How do you know what's real, man?Arguing about fourth downs was so popular because it contained none of this. It was just equations and wild-eyed Madden players insisting video games were reality. It was a lot easier to be righteous. All of that football stuff got boiled down to averages. You make it 52% of the time on fourth and three, that sort of thing. It was easy for a layperson to grasp, and then deploy.Here's a fun new thing that's easy to grasp and deploy: counting!Specifically, counting the number of seconds left in a game you are trailing and deciding that having more of them is better than having less of them. Sherrone Moore may have done a lot of things that have led to a disappointing season, but now he's taken timeout with 12 seconds on the clock while trying to preserve time. Now he's done something indisputable and obvious and bad.-----------------------------------It didn't end up mattering because Indiana got the first down, but we're not talking about the outcome of this particular game, we're evaluating whether Sherrone Moore has the juice to be the head coach of Michigan. I'm not going to say he is or isn't even after Saturday, but what we do have now is a lot of prior events spontaneously organizing themselves into a bonafide Concern. Fourth down decisions to go or not go; clock management issues; special teams foppery; nonsensical play sequencing: the late timeout Saturday is a key log that just got removed, and the rest of the logs are forming themselves into a mosaic of Frames Janklin peering onto the field at a game he is doing his best not to win.This is, of course, extreme. James Franklin's been at Penn State since the Revolutionary War and has a long and rich history of being a gameday buffoon. We still don't know a whole lot about Sherrone Moore as a head coach.But our brains are machines built to identify potentially dangerous patterns. A leaf in the woods in your peripheral vision is suddenly a tiger until our attention resolves it into something non-threatening, that sort of thing. And as a Michigan fan the most dangerous thing in my peripheral vision is Brady Hoke. When people do Brady Hoke things I'm going to goggle at it for a second, determining fight or flight responses.There are a lot of reasons Michigan didn't win this game; at this point I'm more concerned about reasons the might not win future ones.[After THE JUMP: Zeke]

**iam416** · November 12, 2024, 10:01 AM

Stay the course. At least you're not saddled with CRD.

**Jeff Buchanan** · November 12, 2024, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by iam416 View Post

Stay the course. At least you're not saddled with CRD.

That was your line when RR then Hoke were HCs, these two clowns running up a 1-6 record v. OSU from 2008-2014. So, of course you were down with continuing Hoke.

Hoke got 3y from the AD before he was canned. Sheronne is 1-0 as a HC v. CRD/OSU acting as HC when JH was suspended by Petiti in 2023. He's going to get at least another year and probably will serve 3 baring a Gary Moeller type incident. At this point, and based on his current performance, there's no way he's going to win a game v. OSU as M's HC....... at least the probability of that outcome isn't 0.00, but his probability of a win going forward isn't much better than 0.20 and that may even be generous.

**crashcourse** · November 12, 2024, 03:25 PM

indiana 10-0 army 9-0 should have lived 1 more year bobby knight

**THE_WIZARD_** · November 12, 2024, 03:41 PM

you should stfu once and for all

**crashcourse** · November 12, 2024, 05:40 PM

maybe once but never for all

**THE_WIZARD_** · November 12, 2024, 05:41 PM

sold

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