Michigan 29, MSU 7, Post Game Discussion

[Tom W]

As widely speculated, it's a 7:30 kickoff.

While I've come to loathe these night games, I'm kinda liking the idea of beating Tuck down in primetime.

[THE_WIZARD_]

Such loathing and anger for lil bro...

[lineygoblue]

Correct. Do you want a list for MSU crappola inflicted on M? Lines, help me out. Others? Pile it on. I'll start out with the notorious time keeper Bob.

Eddie Brown holds Desmond on the two point conversion. B1G later admitted it should have drawn a flag. It didn't.

Larry Foote gets held while chasing down Smoker in the "clock" game extra play. Right in front of the umpire

More recently, last year's loss of 7 points earned by M's defense. Mistake admitted by the B1G. Would have been a much different game at the end with Michigan protecting a lead, rather than putting the ball up to get a go-ahead score.

Jerel Worthy twisting Denard Robinson's neck by pulling on his face mask in the pile. Not called.

Narduzzi saying "all football is unnecessary roughhess" when justifying Worthy's actions.

DumbTonio walking his team on the field sideline to sideline while Michigan players were on the field during their ALLOWED warm up time. Then laughing when Michigan players pushed back.

And I've MET and SPOKEN with "Spartan Bob". When we were introduced, he was told I'm an M fan. As me and a few others spoke with him, he A.D.M.I.T.T.E.D. that he stopped the clock early. And he laughed about it. He said "Deal with it, man". And that is why the timing rules regarding hometown clock keepers changed the following year.

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That's a start.

And you Ohio/Nebraska people have no idea what this is like. MSU is EXACTLY like your snot-nosed little brother that always wants to hang with you when you are with your pals, or if you want to go out and check out girls. AND.. your mom MAKES you take him with you. Don't speak about how this rivalry is for us because Ohioans and any fan that does not have an in-state rival has NO idea what this is like. None.

There was a time when I kind of pulled for MSU when we weren't playing them. DumbTonio sapped all of that goodwill out of me. It will never return.

[froot loops]

It sounds like you have a lot of unresolved issues. The biggest issue being everyone is conspiring against you. You had the right idea when you ran away from the forum after trouble with the snap.

[Jeff Buchanan]

The biggest issue being everyone is conspiring against you.

Admittedly, there are some conspiratorialists among M fans. Generally this crowd has beefs against the BIG, BIG refs, all CFB refs, rain gods, whatever. Like voter fraud conspiracies, there is little factual evidence to support either group of these knuckle heads.

The beef with MSU is way different ..... WAYYY dIfferent. There is a pattern of behaviors intended to discredit, injure M players and otherwise taunt M by MSU players and coaches. One can make a case for blatant cheating in the case of Spartan Bob. There have been numerous cases of MSU player conduct that is in violation of the general concept of sportsmanship in the Big Ten and fair play under the CFB rules.

I don't think rivalries between any other two CFB programs rises to the level of bad conduct that characterizes MSU actions directed against Michigan. M's rivalry with osu is mostly respectful even though it gets chippy - that's fine and in the spirit of football competition. What went down in the tunnel between M and PSU players at half time last weekend is more funny than it is alarming. Two well known and publicised events that Linesman notes in his post above involved coaches, Dantonio and Narduzzi inciting confrontation and physical abuse by MSU players on M players.

So, no, none of us who are mostly reasonable M fans who post here believe "everyone is conspiring against us."

[froot loops]

Sure thing dude

[lineygoblue]

"Everyone" is not conspiring against Michigan. But its been proven time and time again that there are certain officiating crews that have a hard-on for Michigan. They love watching Michigan closely, and they carry a heavy-handed flag. Proven. And the conference has had to correct officiating errors against Michigan in the week following on several occasions. Proven and documented.

(insert Wiz's F'ing refs here)

I'll go as far as to say if the B1G wants micro-officiating to be the law of the land, then fine. But do it with everyone. Don't select one team or one game to do it in. Train all the officials the same way, give them a directive to do it the same with all teams, and all games, then enforce it. Any crew that doesn't toe the line should lose bowl eligibility.

"Spartan Bob" ruined something that was actually a position of honor for home teams. Nearly every hometown clock operator was a distinguished member of the community who was given the job because he/she was a highly respected member of the community, who had a GREAT SENSE OF FAIRNESS, and was given the position as an honor to them. "Bob" ruined that forever with his shenanigans, that he proudly talked about. Now, a zebra runs the clock.

DumbTonio ruined any kind of mutual respect when he knowingly brought his team out for their "walk" downfield, when he already knew it was Michigan's warm up time. And he laughed about it when it caused a confrontation. I'd daresay that there may have been a few MSU alums looking on who saw that, and were embarrassed. It was the beginning of the end for DumbTonio.

MSU has lived in Michigan's shadow ever since there has been a MSU, or Mich Ag college or whatever stupid name they've been known by. They absolutely crave U-M's approval and attention. They place themselves in Michigan's shadow then beg everyone to feel sorry for them. They are a hemmorhoid on Michigan's butthole. And they like that status.

[froot loops]

What a bunch of nonsense. You are always blaming the refs, this weird argument that certain crews have a hard on for Michigan is truly unadulterated bull shit.

[THE_WIZARD_]

Wiz's F'ing refs

[THE_WIZARD_]

Did I insert that correctly liney?

[lineygoblue]

Yes. Thank you.

[Hannibal]

I'm seeing that we're only favored by 8.5 in this game. Bettors have finally adjusted to the dynamics of this rivalry, it seems.

[Mike]

I'm sure that will move a bit.

[Hannibal]

Maybe but the last 15 years of this rivalry have been defined by ridiculous levels of overachievement by MSU and constant overperformance versus the spread.

[THE_WIZARD_]

Take M. Lay the points. Bet the farm AND the tractor.