Michigan Football - 2024 Season.

[Mike]

That would be fantastic. I'm worried about vacated wins and titles.

I always used to use the analogy that if Michigan ever tried to do some shady shit, they'd look like the guys in Office Space who had to look up money laundering in the dictionary. And now here we are...

[iam416]

Lol, Mike.

Well, that’s what I think will happen. I could see a big suspension for HARBAUGH!!! but there will be nothing retroactive. I mean, I think this is literally going to be CFB Astros.

And you fuckers will enjoy your 3-year run as you should and we’ll sass you, as we should, and, at the end of the day, you won’t give a damn!

[Jeff Buchanan]

The coach has imputed knowledge.

Does he? You're the lawyer, not me but just a quick review of the attached link got me to this:

Even in those relationships (between agent - Scallion and principle - JH), though, imputation of knowledge may only be found under certain circumstances. The theory, known as the ''imputed knowledge rule,'' upon which imputation of knowledge from an agent to its principal rests is that, when the agent acts within the scope of the agency relationship, there is identity of interests between principal and agent. The presumption upon which imputation rests is that the agent will perform his duty and communicate to his principal the facts that the agent acquires while acting within the scope of the agency relationship.”

I get this and where you're going with it. What I'm not sure about is whether Scallion, the agent, performed an assigned duty (to go and collect sideline play calling signals) as part of a directed activity by the principle and within the scope of the agency relationship?

Admittedly, I'm over my head and don't mind being told why, if those goes to some kind of adjudication process, I'm not confident that the NCAA can say the imputed knowledge rule is satisfied. It was Jim's duty to have known about Scallions activity as an analyst.

https://definitions.uslegal.com/i/imputed-knowledge/

[iam416]

The NCAA ain’t a court of law.

But the lone gunman defense ain’t gonna work anyway. IMO. It’s too massive an operation.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Oh, for sure and I don't believe anyone in that useless organization has a clue about what you and I are talking about.

TBF, I appreciate your acknowledgement that nothing is going to come of this when we're talking about forfeiting shit. Jim will resist a suspension with the expectation that he'll have some support for doing that ...... except Ward.

...... and you're right. We'll enjoy Harbaugh's 3 year reign of terror on CFB because he won't be around for year 4. He'll have had enough of this kind of bull-shit.

[iam416]

I’m pretty sure the NCAA rules say the head coach is responsible for the actions of all staff — or at least presumed responsible. If you’re a HC the rules specifically impute knowledge and responsibility to you for the actions of your staff.

[iam416]

Oh, for sure and I don't believe anyone in that useless organization has a clue about what you and I are talking about.

TBF, I appreciate your acknowledgement that nothing is going to come of this when we're talking about forfeiting shit. Jim will resist a suspension with the expectation that he'll have some support for doing that ...... except Ward.

...... and you're right. We'll enjoy Harbaugh's 3 year reign of terror on CFB because he won't be around for year 4. He'll have had enough of this kind of bull-shit.

Honestly, Jeff — I’m pretty sure you aren’t operating in reality on this. I don’t think there’s any way you’re going look at this as anything other than an M diehard. I get it.

[Jeff Buchanan]

Sure, I get that too. But Scallion was either approached by some random dudes offering help or he kept some distance between himself and perpetrators by asking some of those dudes to go to games and scout those teams. Either way, was Scallion acting within his agency doing that or did he go rogue? I don't know. I do know, there are all kinds of randos that approach M football staffers including JH with advice on how to win games. Grasping at straws here, probably and as you point out this aint getting argued in court of law.

[iam416]

He was joined at the hip with the DC during games. I wonder why?

[Jeff Buchanan]

talent, You asked if Brian had updated his 3d old opinion article on sign stealing. He has. Its the first article on the link below but it won't stay as the first so, you may have to scroll to it.

Bottom line, aside from a short discussion of legalese about agency, principle and agent you and I spared over, he would agree with your assessment that nothing big is likely to come from this and provides the reasons why.

Because this is Michigan, a university playing major college football, that routinely bends over to take it up the ass if rules breaking is alleged, the administration will likely repeat that. They are unlikely to slow-play or actually aggressively fight the allegations on the grounds that the language defining the rules are not at all clear and open to interpretation after the fact.

I was not clear on this in my earlier posts but the NCAA has not even issued a notice of allegations, and Michigan has 90 days to respond to one. What we have available to us is just the breathless attempt by sports writers to get a juicy scoop. If what the likes of these leaches do turns out to be utterly wrong, you'll never hear an apology. The damage has been done. No accountability for that. IOW, I may be operating in the reality that as a sworn enemy of Michigan football, you may not be. We can both be blinded when it comes to justice by our allegiance to our beloved football programs.

https://mgoblog.com/content/more-sign-stuff#read-more

[iam416]

The NCAA won’t be upset as conference members. The only chance, however small, of real reprisal is from the B10. They’re the victims.

Like I said—Astros. They’ll get off but everyone will know they cheated bigly. And, IMO, probably in a pretty significant way.

I’m pretty sure there’s more to this than “breathless” reporters rumor-mongering. I’d bet a lot on that. And the fact you are fighting to make it not true shows you know this ain’t right,

Whatever. I won’t comment further in this thread.

[Niffla]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99hKL__vnNI

Great stuff from Huard here.

[Niffla]

Like I said—Astros. They’ll get off but everyone will know they cheated bigly. And, IMO, probably in a pretty significant way.

I couldn't care less. Michigan's rivals (Ohio State, MSU, Penn State, Notre Dame, etc.) never gave us credit anyway regardless. Y'all despise Michigan and will continue to despise Michigan with or without what's happening right now. So who gives a shit. Nothing changes.

When the Patriots went through this and also deflate-gate -- they kept winning at the same level. When the Astros went through it, they kept on chugging along at the same level. And so will Michigan. So again, the outside perception means nothing. Zilch.

Oh, and there's a report that Ohio State was fully aware of the alleged sign stealing last season and still proceeded to lose by three touchdowns. And we'll see Ohio State in a month and there won't be any "they stole our signs" excuses. I'm greatly looking forward to it.

[Mike]

So according to a QB who played for "the greatest sign stealer of all time", the best you can hope for is maybe 3 plays in a football game where you can actually send the correct info to the team and have them execute in real time. This is the kind of info I'm interested in as it pertains to affecting the outcome of a football game.

[Mike]

I couldn't care less. Michigan's rivals (Ohio State, MSU, Penn State, Notre Dame, etc.) never gave us credit anyway regardless. Y'all despise Michigan and will continue to despise Michigan with or without what's happening right now. So who gives a shit. Nothing changes.

When the Patriots went through this and also deflate-gate -- they kept winning at the same level. When the Astros went through it, they kept on chugging along at the same level. And so will Michigan. So again, the outside perception does means nothing. Zilch.

Oh, and there's a report that Ohio State was fully aware of the alleged sign stealing last season and still proceeded to lose by three touchdowns. And we'll see Ohio State in a month and there won't be any "they stole our signs" excuses. And I'm greatly looking forward to it.

100% truth. OSU knew about it last year, changed their signs, got hammered at HOME with the #2 overall draft pick at QB. So fucking suck it, OSU. We'll see you on 11/25.