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It sounds like the AD is already assuming that 2021 will be a washout as far as fans attending and they're using that as an opportunity to kick the can down the road for at least another year. if you scream from the comfort of your living room, they just won't hear you. They honestly don't give a fuck about us.
Excellent observation. There are only two scenarios where Harbaugh leaves after 2021. 1. A NFL team comes along and offers him a ridiculous contract or, 2. M finishes so horribly, that the big money people, the ones who contribute millions to other projects within the University, threaten to stop sending checks. The average fan is of no consequence to Schlissel or Manuel.
As I said yesterday, there are those within the university's leadership that have no problem with the football program taking a dive. They've wanted that for a long time and to them this is long overdue.
1984 was the farce that gave us BYU as a national champion because they were the only undefeated team in the country despite never beating a team with fewer than 4 losses and playing in the WAC.
Don't remember to much but BYU beating Michigan when Haurbagh arm was broken vs Michigan State.
You see the same stuff looking at teams by the decades. Remember how dominant Nebraska and Miami seemed in the 1980’s? Florida State in the 1990’s? The better the program, the harder it is to push them out and the great teams seem to work their way back into the hegemony after brief absences.
Fair point; I guess its been a while since all 3 Fl teams plus SC (not that I want them back) Oregon were in the hunt.
Yeah, that's a litte bit of a chicken-egg problem. Were those players sittting out because the CFP has devalued bowls? I dunno. The Orange Bowl seems like it should still be a big deal.
So, off the top of my head, the last 30 years preceeding the BCS (1968-97):
Nebraska, USC, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Alabama, Penn State, Miami and Florida State won multiple titles. Ohio State, Clemson, Michigan, Washington, BYU, Colorado and GT won national titles in some form. 1984 and 1990 were trash-filled outliers which, mercifully, we'll never get under the CFP.
In 6 years of the CFP, we've had 4 different winners and 11 (I think, again, going from memory) different programs make it.
To the extent this is an issue, The Nick has UAT running like no other program in CFB history. And UFM took Jim Tressel's Ohio State and truly made it into a lesser version of The Nick's UAT. And, unfortunately, Dabo managed to have a run of great QBs that coincided with the total implosion of FSU.
But, AA is correct -- these things are cyclical. But, they're still cyclical only through a certain group of schools. M and Penn State are certainly in that group.
Meh, whatever. This is all basically Froot's veiled efforts to broadside and diminish the heroic efforts of his most-loathed CRD.
I wouldn't say Michigan is in the group really.in terms of national championship contention. Penn State was in the conversation in the past, but a lot of it was due to being an independent, they have yet to demonstrate any ability to dominate stretches in the Big Ten.
Well, look, they're one good coaching hire away. Penn State or M could easily be elite. If you really think there is, literally, only one school in the B10 programically capable of reaching elite status, then we just really disagree.
Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]? Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.
Well, look, they're one good coaching hire away. Penn State or M could easily be elite. If you really think there is, literally, only one school in the B10 programically capable of reaching elite status, then we just really disagree.
Yeah, how quickly we forget that Michigan was actually considered a legitimate, and even presumptive, CFB contender going into Thanksgiving weekend in 2016 and 2018. That they've massively crapped their pants when they've gone for their final interview should make it clear what really needs to get fixed.
There is a big difference between getting to a CFP once and being a year in year out contender. Maybe the right hire can do it at Michigan but that's benchmark nobody has seen so far.
We can have the debate about whether it's good for Michigan to only beat OSU 50% of the time and win B1G championships a few times a decade when they get to that level.
I don't know what the ceiling is for Michigan football, but we're far below it.
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