Actual Big Ten Football for 2020! Discuss....

[lineygoblue]

I am on record in here as supporting Whitmer's early efforts (February-March) to contain the virus. It hit Detroit and the surrounding area as hard as it did in Italy. Those were some scary days for everyone, regardless of politics.

But now that we've learned more, and the people in Michigan have actually been fantastic in their mitigation efforts, she's now using the state of emergency to rule the state so that nobody can oppose anything she does. She's basically laid off the Legislature and is running the state all by herself by executive orders.

She went on record back in May (I believe) and stated she was "not optimistic" that ANY kind of sports would be taking place in Michigan before the end of the year. She hasn't budged from that POV. She's got MSU in her back pocket, M and Schlissel on board, and she's intimidated the snot out of the MHSAA to where they're afraid to take a breath without asking for her permission first. I'm actually surprised that the Lions are going to play. I guess maybe the Ford family actually has a bit of backbone after all.

Whitmer is going to be a roadblock to football in Michigan until she finally relinquishes total control of the state thru her constant declarations of a "state of emergency". That issue is now before the Michigan Supreme Court and we may hear something in October. I'm not optimistic.

[iam416]

Yeah, I don’t fault anyone for a quick draw shutdown until we knew more. I do start to fault people for decisions after we knew more.

Whatever. There’s no way B10 is playing so fuck them all.

[Rob F]

Also, Rob needs to stick to MGO where he's safely surrounded by a bunch of people who are holed up in their basement petriifed of Covid and, of course, losing againt to Ohio State. He's gonna get pushback here.

I don't even have a basement.
Nor am I petrified. Almost though, as I'm nearly as old as that petrified forest in Arizona I visited years ago.

[Rob F]

Rob is a "Coronabro"coronabro.png

...says the guy who owns the "coronabro" t-shirt.

[Rob F]

Look, you don't get COVID from touching, at least not at the rate it was believed to be 6 months ago, Whitley. In fact, infection from touching a surface contaminated with live virus is unlikely. The primary mode of transmission is airborne particles from respirations..... and even then, a lot of perfect shit has to happen for an infection to occur. Then, in the case of football, you've got 18-22 year olds that have what, a less than 1% chance of being hospitalized for COVID related issues.

I get the argument that % positivity should be less than 5% to prove that community spread is limited. But wait, have I made the argument that the data sucks for a thousand reasons and yet we're making mitigation decisions often on just the basis of that data point alone? No context? I think I have.

Oh, wait again, the players will breath heavily on each other. Can't have that. Might catch COVID. I'm not even going down tht rabbit hole. Been there done that.

If Liney is calling it correctly, and I have no reason to believe he's not, THIS IS 100% on Whitmere ignoring the science not on some notion that the "people" didn't pay attention and that's why we can't play football. That's non-sense. You and Rob should get together and share your thoughts on COVID risks. You two will agree with each other.

I make a post or two, Jeff, and you "know" my thoughts on Covid?
That seems to be roughly the equivalent of me looking at your avatar and complaining that you're a leftist antifa supporter because your helmet is facing left rather than right.

You and I can cherry-pick all the data we can find to support our assumed positions, but the harsh reality of a novel virus is just that: it's novel and medical science is learning new things day-by-day, sometimes contradictory things, as the battle against Covid-19 progresses.

There is not yet a well-defined "playbook" on Covid19. We'll get there someday, but it's going to happen because of thorough peer-reviewed scientific evidence rather than thru the political postering and gut feelings of incompetent and corrupt "leader(s)".

That said, how about correcting your avatar, OK?😬

[Rob F]

Also, Rob needs to stick to MGO where he's safely surrounded by a bunch of people who are holed up in their basement petriifed of Covid and, of course, losing againt to Ohio State. He's gonna get pushback here.

I forgot to ask earlier, since you apparently have an account over there at "MGO", what's your username so I can ban another butt-guy?

[Rob F]

I made the mistake of visiting the mgoblog forums today. It has basically morphed into The Huffington Post at this point. They caught the SJW cancer and it's terminal. About 90% of the posters there and the entire staff are openly rooting against football to be played. They won't be the first website to decline into irrelevance because of the SJW cancer and they won't be the last.

...says the SIW (Social Injustice Warrior)

[Rob F]

I am on record in here as supporting Whitmer's early efforts (February-March) to contain the virus. It hit Detroit and the surrounding area as hard as it did in Italy. Those were some scary days for everyone, regardless of politics.

But now that we've learned more, and the people in Michigan have actually been fantastic in their mitigation efforts, she's now using the state of emergency to rule the state so that nobody can oppose anything she does. She's basically laid off the Legislature and is running the state all by herself by executive orders.

She went on record back in May (I believe) and stated she was "not optimistic" that ANY kind of sports would be taking place in Michigan before the end of the year. She hasn't budged from that POV. She's got MSU in her back pocket, M and Schlissel on board, and she's intimidated the snot out of the MHSAA to where they're afraid to take a breath without asking for her permission first. I'm actually surprised that the Lions are going to play. I guess maybe the Ford family actually has a bit of backbone after all.

Whitmer is going to be a roadblock to football in Michigan until she finally relinquishes total control of the state thru her constant declarations of a "state of emergency". That issue is now before the Michigan Supreme Court and we may hear something in October. I'm not optimistic.

Hi Rick, I'm glad you're still the voice of reason here. Though we don't always agree with each other politically, all my respect. As it is, though I'm left of you on the political spectrum, I've always been and always will be an independent voter and I'm waaayy closer to center than to left. But one thing for certain, I don't suffer fools (such as the one currently in the WH) gladly.

Could Whitmer do a better job? Oh hell yeah! I'd much prefer she became the governor she promised us she'd be while campaigning for her current job, one who is capable and willing to reach across the aisle, but that also goes both ways in Lansing, and we're not seeing it, largely because of the corrupt influence of the big orange blob and his total lack of any true leadership ability.

[Hannibal]

...says the SIW (Social Injustice Warrior)

SIW. I like that.

[iam416]

I always love it when a fool claims he doesn't tolerate fools. That always makes me chuckle.

[Dr. Strangelove]

My Gawd, like Stone Cold charging into the Royal Rumble, Rob cleared all who stood before him and left broken and twisted bodies in his wake. Some might never be the same.

#thoughtsandprayers

[Hannibal]

Rob is one of the good guys, Talent. He just needs to come back here regularly and hang out with us more so that we can straighten him out again.

[Jeff Buchanan]

While teacher's in the US take legal action seeking injunctions against officials who develop school reopening plans that include in person learning and governor's like Cuomo in NY cow-tow to those demands and delay such plans, European schools are full-on reopening. Why is that? Is the science behind how the virus is transmitted and PH risks imparted by such transmission different in the US than it is in Europe? In France, for example, is community spread better controlled than it is in NY or FL? Nope. About the same and in fact, NY in particular has less community spread than France if the standard measures of that are used.

The difference is that PH officials in Europe are recognizing that SARS-CoV-2 is going to be around for some undetermined time with years being the most frequently named time frame. Humans can't hide from it and governments can't reduce the risk of infection to zero. What is entirely practical though is that with minimal disruption to our way of life humans can coexist with the virus by taking the simplest of precautions - things humans should have been adherent to prior to COVID and things that because of COVID humans are now learning to do. A silver lining of sorts.

Speaking out against nonsensical measures that government officials are imposing on people with such fact based dissent needs to be recognized as both appropriate and emergently needed. This isn't about supporting positions that the virus is a hoax or that masks and distancing aren't necessary. The threat of SARS-CoV-2 to the PH is real. It isn't about going to local commission meetings, yelling at commissioners and brandishing nazi salutes at these meetings. It isn't about in-your-face gatherings with attendees boldly not wearing masks or distancing while waving American flags and claiming their constitutional rights are endangered.Those actions just polarize the two sides of the debate. What it is about is calling out the bull-shit in forums like this, communicating with local officials and journalists and challenging their misinformed and counter factual takes. It is about challenging the left's narrative on this and recognizing that a good portion of that narrative is being pushed on Americans by America's adversaries.

[Jeff Buchanan]

My Gawd, like Stone Cold charging into the Royal Rumble, Rob cleared all who stood before him and left broken and twisted bodies in his wake. Some might never be the same.

#thoughtsandprayers

Or for fuck's sake ........ idiocy will not go unchallenged among this august body of posters. Still, it's welcomed just for the enjoyment of shooting fish in a barrel.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Many have encountered Rob and left with shattered knees, Jeff, there's no disgrace in that. With lots of work and determination, you too shall walk again. I believe in you!