ohio state at Michigan, Saturday, 11/30/19, Noon EST, FOX/Fox Video

[lineygoblue]

There's something to be said for what Hanni is saying. We've beaten OSU teams before who had superior talent. The difference in those games was coaching and game preparation.

In those days, Carr knew how to prepare his teams to play the games, and Cooper did not.

Its reversed nowadays, and there is no way that Day should have been able to out-prepare Harbaugh.

None.

[paul daugherity]

[Kstat]

There's something to be said for what Hanni is saying. We've beaten OSU teams before who had superior talent. The difference in those games was coaching and game preparation.

In those days, Carr knew how to prepare his teams to play the games, and Cooper did not.

Its reversed nowadays, and there is no way that Day should have been able to out-prepare Harbaugh.

None.

[maxreturn]

The difference in talent is striking. Coaching doesn't matter a whole lot when there's this much of a disparity.

That is utter and complete BS. Who ultimately is the one responsible for the talent disparity? My point is regardless of the reason UM cannot compete with OSU, ultimately the blame lies solely at the feet of Harbaugh.

[Kstat]

That is utter and complete BS. Who ultimately is the one responsible for the talent disparity?

Urban Meyer.

[Hannibal]

Which is why I am referring to a talent gap i.e. the distance between the two teams, not just the talent of the more talented team. College football rivalries are notorious for being tough to win affairs and there are dozens if not hundreds of examples over the years of teams that have played us tight or scored an upset with far less talent. John L. Smith stayed within one score of Michigan 3 out of 4 tries. Bump Elliot beat Woody Hayes 3 times. Nick Saban has lost to Auburn 3 times since 2010. Harbaugh is literally the only coach for whom being outmanned is a 100% ironclad guarantee of getting bent over and violently buttfucked on national TV. He lost to OSU by more points in each of these past two years than Brady Hoke in all three of his losses combined. Even RichRod never gave up more than 50 points to OSU.

Harbaugh sucks. Getting rid of him is a prerequisite for ever winning anything meaningful again.

[Kstat]

[maxreturn]

Urban Meyer.

Only half right. When Harbaugh came to UM 5 years ago he was touted as one of the top recruiting coaches. Why is it then that his 2018 recruiting class was ranked 22nd? Harbaugh was hired to close this gap. He has failed miserably.

[Kstat]

Only half right. When Harbaugh came to UM 5 years ago he was touted as one of the top recruiting coaches. Why is it then that his 2018 recruiting class was ranked 22nd? Harbaugh was hired to close this gap. He has failed miserably.

His teams have been without a doubt the best since the early Carr era. Urban just reached a level no one at Michigan will ever be able to hit. Just too many advantages.

if Nick Saban decided to leave for Michigan next year, he would not in 15 years have one team even close to the OSU team I saw today. It would not happen. He might have only had one or two teams in his Alabama career comparable to this, and Michigan is not Alabama.

They average 50 points a game and have the #1 defense in all of America. 3 heisman candidates on one roster. This is video game shit.

[Whitley]

A couple questions

Is Harbaugh this generation version of Bo? Charged with rebuilding a program and putting together consistently very good teams (but not elite) without the advantages in recruiting that Bo enjoyed?

Are TPTB in Ann Arbor buying into what Connie Mack once said....that it was very profitable for his teams to contend early and get everyone to come out and then fade and finish like 3rd or 4th and then the players would not ask so much in raises? Are they content to be raking in money not caring if the program is at an elite level?

[Hannibal]

A couple questions

Is Harbaugh this generation version of Bo?

[Kstat]

[chemiclord]

Ok. My point is how did the talent level get so disparate? Harbaugh has had 5 years to close that gap and he has utterly failed. The definition of insanity is.....

From my vantage point, I see it in this order of importance:

1) The talent pipeline in Ohio has remained strong while the pipeline in Michigan has stagnated.

2) Out-of-state recruiting simply isn't as rich as it used to be. Cable TV and streaming (and hundreds of other sources of sports) means that Michigan doesn't particularly have the exposure that would entice out of state talent as much as it used to. Why would NFL potential outside the state go to Michigan when they can get noticed just as easily at sixty other schools that have any number of other advantages?

3) Ohio has MUCH more lax standards if you can ball. As far as I am aware, Michigan expects their athletes to maintain the same academic requirements as any other student and doesn't particularly give them too many "easy" ways to keep their enrollment status.

4) OSU has no problem recruiting and embracing "questionable character," (and ejecting them if they slip the leash) while Michigan tends to shy away from those prospects right from the start.

Those things over the course of many years will lend itself to a fairly huge talent gap at damn near every position on the field.

[Kstat]

[Hannibal]

It's not that Michigan has standards or Urban has none. It's that we have a completely worthless 180 pound turd as our coach. Harbaugh is donkey shit.

Also -- LOL at any of you dumbasses who thought that Michigan would win today. You fucking retards never learn.