I have had three computers open constructing this thread. One to the Wisconsin Game thread and the other to the Team 140/2019 thread. I'm wrote this on a third computer.
The post game inputs in these two threads from Hack, Hannibal, Tom W., Froot, AA, Wiz, Linesman and talent, others intermittently are really good stuff but they are dispersed in two threads. I've started this one, stuck it and relegated the Team 140/2019 thread to the unstuck stack below.
The purpose is to try to put these insightful posts into one place and discuss them further, if posters choose to do so, by number(s). All these excellent posts have a central theme: they try to shed light on the problems within the Michigan football program and explain the Wisconsin turd. There were lots of different issues having a baring on multiple levelsof the football program. Anyway, here's a distillation of the important points made in the two threads all in one place.
(1) Patterson's issues - the ones that are well documented by credible observation, e.g., NFL scouting reports, mgo UFR's, Gerdman's Michigan Mondays, this forum - are having a bigger impact on the efficiency of the 2019 Gattis offense than was anticipated. Injury? The "yips?" Is who we thought he would be? These are all speculated as reasons for his poor performance. His numbers to date back that up.
(a) Questions regarding Harbaugh's QB recruiting and development go back to Jake Rudock - a transfer QB that JH had good results with - to Patterson - another transfer. Since Rudock, Harbaugh has put QBs on the field that compared to their cohort QBs aren't good. The M's QB stats through the years support that assertion. Dillon McCaffrey and Cade Mcnamara remain unknowns with respect to Harbaugh's QB development skills.
(2) The introduction of the Gattis offense has produced offensive inefficiencies that are substantially greater than anticipated. This is both factual through 3 games (the stats) and anecdotal/credibly observed and reported
(a) It appears that through the first three games, Josh Gattis has made sweeping changes to the offense that were not necessary and have moved the offense away from what Patterson the OL under Warinner and Harbaugh are comfortable with. It's argued that a more incremental change that added what Gattis is good at but retained what Harbaugh has a record of being cutting edge with is called for. Could it be a reasonable approach going forward? Maybe. Some argue you have to go with what you have, find what yo do well and don't and tweek the play calling from there.
(b) In the Gattis era it appears that the coaches are trying to out-scheme opponents rather than focus on the details of execution, and coherence. This leads to the additional observation that the offense lacks an identity.
(3) Although speculative in it's character, Harbaugh appears to be average and ineffective as a coach when judging his 4 years and change as M's HC. That is contrary to a previous record that would indicate he is an elite coach.
(a) Reasons for that include staff churn, burn-out, the Zoloft theory, he was never elite, organizational skills insufficient to produce an elite college football team, bad game-day manager, becoming uninvolved at the detail level or ceding too much responsibility and control to the DC and OC, making bad strategic decisions (hiring Gattis based on a 20 minute phone call).
(b) Worth mentioning separately because it was mentioned in the Spath collection of former player interviews: Harbaugh is not good at pre-game motivational speeches. This affects road game performance. At home, it doesn't matter because you have the home-crowd, in the Big House, racing onto the field under the M banner .... those are motivational enough at home and they aren't present on the road. Might explain a good deal of Harbaugh's factual road record.
(c) Winning in the BT format and that of CFB is hard, harder than Harbaugh probably expected - can't scheme to overcome depth issues or talent deficiencies. Harbaugh's brand of power football that plays to the D was successful elsewhere for various reasons isn't good enough in the BT or nationally with competitive P5 teams ......Wisconsin may be an outlier but in 2019 mainly because of Taylor. Still, this is an Alvarez/Chryst theme that has brought Wisconsin
success.
(4) M football fan expectations for Harbaugh's ability to restore the program to elite status were unrealistic to begin with and remain so. He is a 9-3 coach with an occasional 10-2 season that will not compete for championships as expected. His coaching record in total supports that argument (excepting his NFC Championship at SF).
(a) A reason for that is the factual case that can be made that Harbaugh's recruiting is sub par when compared to the elite teams sustainably in contention for those championships.
(5) Harbaugh can't develop or retain the talent he does recruit (affects depth) in comparison to MSU, PSU or Wisconsin. This is a speculative position but it seems well supported by credible observation. IOW, Dantonio, Franklin and Chryst have comparable to less successful recruiting as measured by composite 247 rankings but are outperforming Harbaugh's football teams on the field.
(a) This includes a recent uptake in processing players or chasing them off. Without All-Americans on your roster, play-makers, you have to rely on your program players then retain and develop them.
(6) From Spath in his interview with former players posted today: The players on offense may be questioning who is in charge - Gattis or Harbaugh - and may not be buying into what is being offered up as the way to play football. We generally call this "losing the team." This is mere speculation because, even the interviewed players admit, they can't tell if team chemistry is being lost because they are no longer in the locker room. Most observed a drop off in offensive cohesion and intensity after the Mason fumble. Inserting Mason was 100% Harbaugh whihc brings inot question which offense - power or spread - are we going to run? What's our identity.
(7) The defense: Poor recruiting and a lot of misses on quality DTs are dictating what Brown has to do and it is hard to do it with scheme.
(a) Shitty offense as detailed above, contributes to the woes of the defense. That the D has woes is beyond question and the stats from the last 2 games in 2018 and the first three in 2019 support that position.
(b) The man-v. zone argument is present in an assessment of Brown's D. So are risk management decisions he is making as it pertains to determining the benefits v. the risks of his aggressive approach (Brown being Brown).
(8) Michigan Super-Fan Review .... "It's all on the head coach and he is not the same Harbaugh that M hired in 2013 - he is being treated for a health issue (that is affecting his performance)."
The post game inputs in these two threads from Hack, Hannibal, Tom W., Froot, AA, Wiz, Linesman and talent, others intermittently are really good stuff but they are dispersed in two threads. I've started this one, stuck it and relegated the Team 140/2019 thread to the unstuck stack below.
The purpose is to try to put these insightful posts into one place and discuss them further, if posters choose to do so, by number(s). All these excellent posts have a central theme: they try to shed light on the problems within the Michigan football program and explain the Wisconsin turd. There were lots of different issues having a baring on multiple levelsof the football program. Anyway, here's a distillation of the important points made in the two threads all in one place.
(1) Patterson's issues - the ones that are well documented by credible observation, e.g., NFL scouting reports, mgo UFR's, Gerdman's Michigan Mondays, this forum - are having a bigger impact on the efficiency of the 2019 Gattis offense than was anticipated. Injury? The "yips?" Is who we thought he would be? These are all speculated as reasons for his poor performance. His numbers to date back that up.
(a) Questions regarding Harbaugh's QB recruiting and development go back to Jake Rudock - a transfer QB that JH had good results with - to Patterson - another transfer. Since Rudock, Harbaugh has put QBs on the field that compared to their cohort QBs aren't good. The M's QB stats through the years support that assertion. Dillon McCaffrey and Cade Mcnamara remain unknowns with respect to Harbaugh's QB development skills.
(2) The introduction of the Gattis offense has produced offensive inefficiencies that are substantially greater than anticipated. This is both factual through 3 games (the stats) and anecdotal/credibly observed and reported
(a) It appears that through the first three games, Josh Gattis has made sweeping changes to the offense that were not necessary and have moved the offense away from what Patterson the OL under Warinner and Harbaugh are comfortable with. It's argued that a more incremental change that added what Gattis is good at but retained what Harbaugh has a record of being cutting edge with is called for. Could it be a reasonable approach going forward? Maybe. Some argue you have to go with what you have, find what yo do well and don't and tweek the play calling from there.
(b) In the Gattis era it appears that the coaches are trying to out-scheme opponents rather than focus on the details of execution, and coherence. This leads to the additional observation that the offense lacks an identity.
(3) Although speculative in it's character, Harbaugh appears to be average and ineffective as a coach when judging his 4 years and change as M's HC. That is contrary to a previous record that would indicate he is an elite coach.
(a) Reasons for that include staff churn, burn-out, the Zoloft theory, he was never elite, organizational skills insufficient to produce an elite college football team, bad game-day manager, becoming uninvolved at the detail level or ceding too much responsibility and control to the DC and OC, making bad strategic decisions (hiring Gattis based on a 20 minute phone call).
(b) Worth mentioning separately because it was mentioned in the Spath collection of former player interviews: Harbaugh is not good at pre-game motivational speeches. This affects road game performance. At home, it doesn't matter because you have the home-crowd, in the Big House, racing onto the field under the M banner .... those are motivational enough at home and they aren't present on the road. Might explain a good deal of Harbaugh's factual road record.
(c) Winning in the BT format and that of CFB is hard, harder than Harbaugh probably expected - can't scheme to overcome depth issues or talent deficiencies. Harbaugh's brand of power football that plays to the D was successful elsewhere for various reasons isn't good enough in the BT or nationally with competitive P5 teams ......Wisconsin may be an outlier but in 2019 mainly because of Taylor. Still, this is an Alvarez/Chryst theme that has brought Wisconsin
success.
(4) M football fan expectations for Harbaugh's ability to restore the program to elite status were unrealistic to begin with and remain so. He is a 9-3 coach with an occasional 10-2 season that will not compete for championships as expected. His coaching record in total supports that argument (excepting his NFC Championship at SF).
(a) A reason for that is the factual case that can be made that Harbaugh's recruiting is sub par when compared to the elite teams sustainably in contention for those championships.
(5) Harbaugh can't develop or retain the talent he does recruit (affects depth) in comparison to MSU, PSU or Wisconsin. This is a speculative position but it seems well supported by credible observation. IOW, Dantonio, Franklin and Chryst have comparable to less successful recruiting as measured by composite 247 rankings but are outperforming Harbaugh's football teams on the field.
(a) This includes a recent uptake in processing players or chasing them off. Without All-Americans on your roster, play-makers, you have to rely on your program players then retain and develop them.
(6) From Spath in his interview with former players posted today: The players on offense may be questioning who is in charge - Gattis or Harbaugh - and may not be buying into what is being offered up as the way to play football. We generally call this "losing the team." This is mere speculation because, even the interviewed players admit, they can't tell if team chemistry is being lost because they are no longer in the locker room. Most observed a drop off in offensive cohesion and intensity after the Mason fumble. Inserting Mason was 100% Harbaugh whihc brings inot question which offense - power or spread - are we going to run? What's our identity.
(7) The defense: Poor recruiting and a lot of misses on quality DTs are dictating what Brown has to do and it is hard to do it with scheme.
(a) Shitty offense as detailed above, contributes to the woes of the defense. That the D has woes is beyond question and the stats from the last 2 games in 2018 and the first three in 2019 support that position.
(b) The man-v. zone argument is present in an assessment of Brown's D. So are risk management decisions he is making as it pertains to determining the benefits v. the risks of his aggressive approach (Brown being Brown).
(8) Michigan Super-Fan Review .... "It's all on the head coach and he is not the same Harbaugh that M hired in 2013 - he is being treated for a health issue (that is affecting his performance)."
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