osu 63, Michigan 39

[paul daugherity]

I think it was a combo of all of those. The coaching was deficient, the team seemed shell shocked, and there is a big talent gap - OSU has more depth of talent and more overall.

[iam416]

That kind of pushes down the agenda any talk about whether Brown's scheme is too gimmicky for big games. It could be that it's time for JH to hand over the offense to an OC, and to put Brown's defense on watch. But maybe it's first time to wonder about the position coaching? Gary's underwhelming career, Solomon's lack of a scaled-up sophmore year, and the ends' ability to do anything other than speedrush

Sometimes you just get got, to borrow from Space Coyote's twitter. It happens. Don Brown is a really good DC, but I think he was really bad yesterday (or he, like the rest of the world, thought they could get to Haskins). OSU did what OSU does. No real mysteries. They did what IU did. No real mystery. I'm not sure what the answer is/was. I was watching from a tough angle and not caring at all about matchups, but it seemed like OSU found the slowest gazelle and get hammering him. Ruthlessly. And in DB's scheme, every gazelle is exposed.

As far as the DL, I think the evidence suggests that Gary underachieved on his own rather than due to poor coaching. The quality and quantity of DL that have come through there speaks for itself. Gary, I think, was overrated a bit.

[WM Wolverine]

Gary has had an injured shoulder in both his sophomore and junior seasons, no idea how healthy he was but he was merely good when on the field. I said very early this season that Winovich was TONS better and that's only been even more apparent since.

[iam416]

I'm not sure I posted this here before, but this story is from Bill Greene, so I believe it. UFM and Hoke were both recruiting Winovich. Greene thinks that Winovich wanted to play come to OSU. Fickell LOVED him. UFM was lukewarm. The two were in a shouting match over how hard to push for him. They didn't push for his commitment that hard and Hoke did. That Fickell guys knows a thing or two about LBs and such (he also had to pound the table to get Darron Lee even OFFERED).

Anyway, Winovich is Defensive POTY by a longshot, IMO. Great season.

[froot loops]

Winovich is light years better when he doesn't have to worry about setting the edge and can pin his ears back. He has so many big plays, you miss the stuff where he just runs himself out of position, generally the Michigan defense is good enough to clean that up. I was kind of focusing on him yesterday and thought he was playing technically sound but he was pretty ineffective. That's one of those things where you have to look at the game tape.

[hack]

Gary still runs himself out of position a lot too. I dunno. It's easy after a game like this to demand the scalp of an assistant or two, and which is where I am. Froot is right about the desire thing. JH's guys don't think they can beat OSU. Nobody but JH can fix that. I don't know that JH can fix the awful offensive scheme though, so if there's one scalp, it should be Pep. Bring in a proper OC. Maybe the defensive staff. Not sure.

[UMStan White]

Well that game destroyed the myths that:

1. Don Brown is a defensive genius:
2. Harbaugh is an elite coach;
3. "Michigan is back"
4. It's a rivalry again;
5. Jeff's in depth analysis of the relative strengths and weaknesses of each team and how those
tendencies and schemes will determine the game are worth reading;
6. Hanni's observations of the team are merely the effects of BPONE (or whatever that silly anacronisim is);
7. Rocky's defeatism is invalid;j
8. OSU is ripe for the taking by this team;
9. Those of us who had to suffer through the 50-14 loss in 1968 will be vindicated by this team and its effort
10. a ton of "revenge tour " apparel is the top seller instead of heading towards a
refugee camp in the third world

[froot loops]

I'm not sure it is that Michigan's players don't think they can beat OSU, I think it is kind of the opposite, they expect to win. They played like they believed the point spread and we're playing a 3 or 4 loss OSU team. To beat OSU for Michigan they need to go in with the underdog mentality even if they are a big favorite, especially at the Shoe. You cannot afford to comfort yourself with that team getting destroyed by Purdue or surviving Maryland. You guys will not ever see that OSU team.

[maxreturn]

Yes, absolutely.

I second that. Hoke at least won one game and his worst loss was 42-28. Harbaugh is 0-4 and has been annihilated twice now, losing by 29 points in his first year and 23 yesterday. How can you not have your team prepared to at least play a close game? I can't recall seeing a team play so uninspired and ill prepared.

[iam416]

Hoke's loss in 2014 was to the eventual national champs and it was 28-21 in the 4th -- like halfway through the 4th when Elliot broke a 45 yard TD on 4th and 1. That was ballgame all day long.

Hoke's finest effort was 2013 -- well, until the final 2pt play.

[maxreturn]

I'm not sure it is that Michigan's players don't think they can beat OSU, I think it is kind of the opposite, they expect to win. They played like they believed the point spread and we're playing a 3 or 4 loss OSU team. To beat OSU for Michigan they need to go in with the underdog mentality even if they are a big favorite, especially at the Shoe. You cannot afford to comfort yourself with that team getting destroyed by Purdue or surviving Maryland. You guys will not ever see that OSU team.

I believe you are absolutely correct. After watching the OSU Maryland contest last week I was thinking to myself Meyer's hair will be on fire all week, a lot of things will get fixed and most importantly his players will be ready. Clearly even a wounded Meyer is far more effective at getting his team ready for the big games. Harbaugh is a miserable failure.

[hack]

Hoke played OSU tough despite being so overmatched in all the areas JH, on paper, should not be. There's something there. Whether it is my belief that they come out against OSU waiting for the bad breaks, or Froot's, there's something there.

[hack]

To be clear, though, this was a matchup nightmare. Last year's OSU probably loses to this year's M, but this year's OSU has a passing attack well suited to beat Harbaugh. I do believe Don Brown is a good DC, but I'd like that defense to be there when we need it. Needs to be far less of a feast-or-famine approach. Great to give up less than 100 yards to PSU or MSU when they are fielding injured QBs, but none of that matters for The Game. IMO it's got to be onward for JH, who is the right coach for Michigan and apparently has to take a very long time learning what happened to college football in the five years he was gone. He'll continue to grind his way there. I think the coaching staff isn't quite right, but Don Brown gets another year. I hope Pep Hamilton and JH-the-play-caller don't.

[Da Geezer]

UM pays Pep $ 2 million. This run-so-you-can-throw professional system only works when you can run. Time to run a college-level offense, like Indiana.

[Rocky Bleier]

Kevin Wilson and Ryan Day watching film of Michigan v.s. Indiana