Matt Stafford is the suckiest suck to ever suck

[Fraquar]

The reason pure and simple that I HATE Rodgers has to do with one simple play.....The longest game ending hail mary in NFL history to beat the lions. Let me explain...The hail mary shouldn't have even happened. Rodgers got a bogus facemask call on Devon Taylor. He fell to the ground, PUSHED his facemask up and put his hands up like-"are you gonna call something here" when Taylor ran his hand across his right shoulder. He did not grab his facemask. The extra play should never have happened and rodgers asking the refs to make the call by pushing up his facemask was flat out cheatful deceit!

Screw you Calvin, go smoke some pot with some fudge packers

Meh, that was the Hail Mary defense that had two fucks covering the sidelines 20 yards away from the QB and 40 yards away from where the throw went - doing absolutely fuck-all on the final play of the game. It's like putting a guy back to return a an opponents game winning FG, and another to block for him - when you lead by 2.....

This organization is a fucking dumpster fire.

[TheLondonLion]

I’ve done ligament damage to my throwing thumb. It’s never been the same. MCL joint from boxing. Hard to open a tight lid now. But I’m not an NFL QB.

Brees had something similar last year.

[Futureshock]

Still can’t believe they made that man pay back the million. Such a shame he’ll never come around and embrace his career because of that stupidity by this organization.

I can't either. It was petty and showed the Fords for what they are again.

There's a difference between that and going over to the opposing QB during games and telling them you wish you could be on their team

My naive friend you would be surprised how often that happens. All over the place.

The reason pure and simple that I HATE Rodgers has to do with one simple play.....The longest game ending hail mary in NFL history to beat the lions. Let me explain...The hail mary shouldn't have even happened. Rodgers got a bogus facemask call on Devon Taylor. He fell to the ground, PUSHED his facemask up and put his hands up like-"are you gonna call something here" when Taylor ran his hand across his right shoulder. He did not grab his facemask. The extra play should never have happened and rodgers asking the refs to make the call by pushing up his facemask was flat out cheatful deceit!

Screw you Calvin, go smoke some pot with some fudge packers

The old Spaceballs helmet he used to play with. He even moved his head forward slightly to sell the helmet moving.

It didn't need that play to dislike that fu(ker.

[dpatnod]

When you are making top dollar, getting locked into mega-dollar 1 year deals with escalating pay increases isn't a death sentence.
Your wife isn't forced to wear JC Penny and your kids aren't wearing Payless specials.

Lions could have gotten bank by trading CJ. There was some stupid shittiness on their part too.

[chemiclord]

Lions could have gotten bank by trading CJ. There was some stupid shittiness on their part too.

Because again, it's not about getting results with the Ford family.

It's about demanding subservience and loyalty. THEY dictate who comes and goes, not the peasantry.

[Fraquar]

Chem, the players have way more power now than they ever did. You throw it all away when you sign that long-term deal.
Look, I get it, it's about the "guaranteed" money. What guarantee is that through when you re-upped with a team you'd rather leave to get it though?
We saw what that did to two of the best players this organization has had in our lifetime - they simply tapped out and gave back some of that "guaranteed" money.

[chemiclord]

Again. Ask LeVeon Bell how that worked for him. Ask Dak Prescott how he's doin'. Kirk Cousins was one freak accident in three years from never getting that sweet deal from the Vikes.

The franchise tag is NOT leverage for the players. It's massive leverage for the owners. Calvin Johnson only had two realistic options his entire career; play for the Lions or quit.

[JGSpartan]

You're just simply wrong on this one. Players get out all the time.

You aren't wrong that the teams have far more leverage but painting it as stuck or quit just isn't true on any level.

Teams only go so far with a holdout before they break. Steelers are among rare scenarios of a team being to dumb to get out of the way..Yet they still eventually break.. If the writing is on the wall the player absolutely won't play for you they would rather get draft picks and CJ would have brought a huge haul. He would have been traded before deadline most likely first holdout while his value was sky high.

So no he wouldn't have got to pick where he wanted to go but if he wanted out it was 100 percent doable.
He chose the big bonus and security of a deal he didn't have any intention of honoring and is now crying over it playing the victim because they didn't just let him fleece them.

[chemiclord]

You're just simply wrong on this one. Players get out all the time.

You aren't wrong that the teams have far more leverage but painting it as stuck or quit just isn't true on any level.

Teams only go so far with a holdout before they break. Steelers are among rare scenarios of a team being to dumb to get out of the way..Yet they still eventually break.. If the writing is on the wall the player absolutely won't play for you they would rather get draft picks and CJ would have brought a huge haul. He would have been traded before deadline most likely first holdout while his value was sky high.

So no he wouldn't have got to pick where he wanted to go but if he wanted out it was 100 percent doable.
He chose the big bonus and security of a deal he didn't have any intention of honoring and is now crying over it playing the victim because they didn't just let him fleece them.

The Lions were NEVER going to trade him. They would have HAPPILY let him sit with an unsigned tender. Don't you get that yet?

The Lions AREN'T most teams. They do shit all the time that is contrary to good franchise management out of that sort of contempt for the peons.

[JGSpartan]

You're speculating on how they'd handle it with no precedence from the team or even the league for that scenario.

The existing precedent league wide is that if someone wants out they eventually get out. Some teams get in the way longer than others but you'd be hard pressed to find a scenario where the player didn't get out.

Carson palmer got out of Cincy with an owner who said he'd never cave. He caved. They all would rather get something than nothing.

[chemiclord]

You're speculating on how they'd handle it with no precedence from the team or even the league for that scenario.

The existing precedent league wide is that if someone wants out they eventually get out. Some teams get in the way longer than others but you'd be hard pressed to find a scenario where the player didn't get out.

Carson palmer got out of Cincy with an owner who said he'd never cave. He caved. They all would rather get something than nothing.

Sure there's a precedent.

Barry Sanders wanted to be traded. The Lions outright refused, and said Barry was going to play for the Lions or not at all. The Lions never caved on that score.

[JGSpartan]

I gave you an example of another owner who said they would never cave and yet they did.

Carson Palmer pushed the issue and he got out.

Neither Johnson or Sanders did. So that isn't precedent at all for what the lions would do if a player really pushed them.

[dpatnod]

They literally took the stance that you play for us or you play for nobody, Dude.

Like, in both Barry's and Calvin's case.

What more pushing are they obligated to do, guns to the Ford's head?

[chemiclord]

JGSpartan keeps using examples of other owners as examples of how it works. He doesn't seem to grasp that the Fords AREN'T other owners. They will not cave on issues like this, it's their driving principle, in fact. They demand total loyalty, and will not abide by the peons trying to exert their own agency. They can and have cut off their nose to spite their face on that score, and have done so repeatedly during their ownership of the Lions.

[Fraquar]

Again. Ask LeVeon Bell how that worked for him. Ask Dak Prescott how he's doin'. Kirk Cousins was one freak accident in three years from never getting that sweet deal from the Vikes.

The franchise tag is NOT leverage for the players. It's massive leverage for the owners. Calvin Johnson only had two realistic options his entire career; play for the Lions or quit.

Never said the Franchise tag was leverage for the players, but at the end of the day if you REALLY don't want to be somewhere you DON'T put your name on the dotted line for another 7 years. As for Dak, that shit was his doing. He demanded to be the highest paid QB in the game, and to date still hasn't won a playoff game - which in reality is the only reason you give a long-term deal to a QB - to win playoff games. Especially when you play for a team who has hoisted 5 Lombardi trophies - you don't pay them to participate like the Lions do.