Matt Stafford is the suckiest suck to ever suck

[dwt1]

[dwt1]

Right and that's my underlying point. You can be both critical of struggles and supportive of succeses. When people take those successes and immediately look to make excuses as to why they aren't their mind was already made up

Success as measured by stats, no thanks.

[Fraquar]

Right and that's my underlying point. You can be both critical of struggles and supportive of succeses. When people take those successes and immediately look to make excuses as to why they aren't their mind was already made up

The only success that matters is delivering the goods when it matters. Throughout his career he's done that against bad teams and struggled mightily against good ones, this year is no exception. Gladhanding stats when you aren't beating the teams you need to beat to turn the corner isn't much different than watching some schmuck celebrating a meaningless 1st down when his team is getting it's ass beat. Pointless.

This is a cursed team. Whether it's Bobby Layne or old man Ford backdooring his purchase of the team on the very day JFK was killed. Only thing that will lift this curse is the Ford's selling it. Stafford could throw for 6,000 and 50 and it wouldn't matter, they'd still find a way to give away a game that was ripe for the picking.

[JGSpartan]

The only success that matters is delivering the goods when it matters. Throughout his career he's done that against bad teams and struggled mightily against good ones, this year is no exception. Gladhanding stats when you aren't beating the teams you need to beat to turn the corner isn't much different than watching some schmuck celebrating a meaningless 1st down when his team is getting it's ass beat. Pointless.

This is a cursed team. Whether it's Bobby Layne or old man Ford backdooring his purchase of the team on the very day JFK was killed. Only thing that will lift this curse is the Ford's selling it. Stafford could throw for 6,000 and 50 and it wouldn't matter, they'd still find a way to give away a game that was ripe for the picking.

Throughout his tenure this TEAM has struggled against their opponents good or bad. A good quarterback can't carry a bad team to beat good teams on any sort of consistent level. I mean you say this year is no exception for him but damn man...

Stafford failed to stop Carr, Mahomes and Rodgers? Stafford dropped the pass in Logan Thomas' hands? Stafford let the Vikes score 42? with an even average defense this year they are probably 6-2 at worst.

Win or lose there will always be mistakes you can point to with any quarterback. Instances where they failed to make a play or had a bad one. Stafford is no different. He has bad plays. He has many more good ones and consistently puts an awful football team in a position to have a chance to win. More often than not it's the Defense that fails in the close games not Stafford.

[dpatnod]

This is a cursed team. Whether it's Bobby Layne or old man Ford backdooring his purchase of the team on the very day JFK was killed. Only thing that will lift this curse is the Ford's selling it. Stafford could throw for 6,000 and 50 and it wouldn't matter, they'd still find a way to give away a game that was ripe for the picking.

And the people said Amen.

[Futureshock]

Throughout his tenure this TEAM has struggled against their opponents good or bad. A good quarterback can't carry a bad team to beat good teams on any sort of consistent level. I mean you say this year is no exception for him but damn man...

Stafford failed to stop Carr, Mahomes and Rodgers? Stafford dropped the pass in Logan Thomas' hands? Stafford let the Vikes score 42? with an even average defense this year they are probably 6-2 at worst.

Win or lose there will always be mistakes you can point to with any quarterback. Instances where they failed to make a play or had a bad one. Stafford is no different. He has bad plays. He has many more good ones and consistently puts an awful football team in a position to have a chance to win. More often than not it's the Defense that fails in the close games not Stafford.

This.

What's funny is the constant assurtion that the QB is ultra-important and MS isn't good enough to win.

Yet, MS hangs 30 points on MIN and loses by 12. Matt Moore (who was totally out of football) comes out of retirement and plays on a good Chiefs team with a great playcaller and beats MIN with throwing 1 TD. Lol. Yeah it's all MS's fault

[Fraquar]

Lions simply play to the level of their opposition, and try to outdo them in the gaff department. If the Lions had the #1 defense in football they wouldn't be throwing it, they'd be stubbornly trying to create a running game. Instead of scoring 30, they'd be losing 16-13.....

[Futureshock]

Is that MS's fault?

[Fraquar]

Is that MS's fault?

Yes,because as an 11 year veteran QB you have waaaaaay too much clout to just stand there and accept the fact that your OC is being waaaay too conservative. He should be saying fuck that stupid ass trick play that is fooling no one, give me an extra receiver who can actually run a route and catch the damn ball when there it's 4th and ballgame.

[froot loops]

Lions simply play to the level of their opposition, and try to outdo them in the gaff department. If the Lions had the #1 defense in football they wouldn't be throwing it, they'd be stubbornly trying to create a running game. Instead of scoring 30, they'd be losing 16-13.....

This strikes me as true.

[Futureshock]

Yes,because as an 11 year veteran QB you have waaaaaay too much clout to just stand there and accept the fact that your OC is being waaaay too conservative. He should be saying fuck that stupid ass trick play that is fooling no one, give me an extra receiver who can actually run a route and catch the damn ball when there it's 4th and ballgame.

By that measure you will never like MS. It's not in his persona. He really wants to win badly but he sees himself as a good soldier too.

I don't agree with that theory though. It seems like people are letting the coaches and GM off the hook for what they are specifically being paid for. Mr. Rocket Scientist "Because-You-Can-Tell-Because-I-Have-a-Pencil-Behind-My-Ear" Coach should have said, "Naw Darrell. I'm not going out like that. Get my WR's back in there if we're going to pass it."

[Futureshock]

And how about we run a play where we DON'T have 3 receivers in one area?

[Fraquar]

And how about we run a play where we DON'T have 3 receivers in one area?

Did you ever think that is by design? Mass confusion on a play that shouldn't even be in the playbook. Peyton, Rodgers, Brees, they cut shit ass plays like that off in PRACTICE. Look, if we are going to waste our time running this stupid ass gadget play, we are going to keep doing this shit till we get it RIGHT.

[froot loops]

Yes,because as an 11 year veteran QB you have waaaaaay too much clout to just stand there and accept the fact that your OC is being waaaay too conservative. He should be saying fuck that stupid ass trick play that is fooling no one, give me an extra receiver who can actually run a route and catch the damn ball when there it's 4th and ballgame.

It was a 30 second timeout that the offense didn't even go to the sideline. No matter what clout you have, its hard to do anything when they run that personnel grouping in there.

[Fraquar]

It was a 30 second timeout that the offense didn't even go to the sideline. No matter what clout you have, its hard to do anything when they run that personnel grouping in there.

That is my whole point. That shit should be sussed out in PRACTICE. It simply shouldn't make it to game day because if it does then everyone should be on the same page - no surprises. Everyone knows their assignments.

Instead what we are left with is failed attempts at post game rationalizing of a clusterfuck that started when players reported for camp.