Matt Stafford is the suckiest suck to ever suck

[dpatnod]

Hello!!!!!!! Where have you been for the last 20 years........I'm not a players guy, I'm not a fan of players, they're just men like you and I (well me anyhow). I'm about the team - I couldn't care less about who is playing on the team. That's been very clear for over 20 years.

So why the constant lobbying about the QB?

[dwt1]

So why the constant lobbying about the QB?

seriously? You really don't know the answer to that? Let me help you, it has something to do with the team winning.

[The Oracle]

That's a strange stance to take really. Detroit sports teams have won 11 championships since 68, when the vast majority of fans talk about the championships they talk about individual players. Individual players working together as a team.

In 97 everyone wanted the team named the Red Wings to break their drought. But one of the main things was they wanted to see Steve Yzerman win a Stanley Cup. He had the label playoff choker, he couldn't win. Then he did. 20 years later, the individual players on that team are still revered.

If you don't like players and anything short of a Super Bowl win is unacceptable, the Lions are not the team for you. That's been clear for over 50 years.

Good post and advice that I'm sure won't be listened to.

[Fraquar]

Football is about as diametrically opposed to Hockey as it gets.

Yzerman needed help on the other 3 lines - he couldn't spend all game long on the ice. Didn't matter how many points he scored, didn't matter how much he helped defensively - he was on one of 3-4 lines.

A better example is Basketball, where if the team was hell-bent on getting Isiah 40 (or throwing it 700 times with Stafford/Calvin), they were likely going to lose. It was only when they bought in to play a team game that they climbed the top of the ladder - and pretty much changed the landscape of the NBA to a total street ball when they forced the NBA's hand to crack down on defense to promote the Jordan era of points, highlights, and more ESPN.

For the Lions to have success they need to do every phase of the specialist game well. Pass, Run, Pass Defense, Run Defense and Special Teams. Throwing it 700 times just makes you 1 dimensional and easier to defense.

[chemiclord]

Football is about as diametrically opposed to Hockey as it gets.

Yzerman needed help on the other 3 lines - he couldn't spend all game long on the ice. Didn't matter how many points he scored, didn't matter how much he helped defensively - he was on one of 3-4 lines.

A better example is Basketball, where if the team was hell-bent on getting Isiah 40 (or throwing it 700 times with Stafford/Calvin), they were likely going to lose. It was only when they bought in to play a team game that they climbed the top of the ladder - and pretty much changed the landscape of the NBA to a total street ball when they forced the NBA's hand to crack down on defense to promote the Jordan era of points, highlights, and more ESPN.

For the Lions to have success they need to do every phase of the specialist game well. Pass, Run, Pass Defense, Run Defense and Special Teams. Throwing it 700 times just makes you 1 dimensional and easier to defense.

I dunno, I think there's a pretty strong parallel to draw between a QB in football and a goaltender in hockey. If you have an elite talent at that position, it gives you a lot of breathing room elsewhere on the team, and both can give you a puncher's chance in games you normally would have no business winning.

If you don't... you really can't afford to have too many glaring weaknesses.

[LightninBoy]

I dunno, I think there's a pretty strong parallel to draw between a QB in football and a goaltender in hockey. If you have an elite talent at that position, it gives you a lot of breathing room elsewhere on the team, and both can give you a puncher's chance in games you normally would have no business winning.

If you don't... you really can't afford to have too many glaring weaknesses.

Exactly.

Under the current NFL rules and rule interpretations, I believe the QB has passed the goaltender as the most critical single position in any sport.

Year after year the QB has become more critical and more protected. To be clear, I am NOT happy about this. I think its bad for football. Particularly at a time when colleges are not producing many NFL ready QBs.

[froot loops]

Football is about as diametrically opposed to Hockey as it gets.

Yzerman needed help on the other 3 lines - he couldn't spend all game long on the ice. Didn't matter how many points he scored, didn't matter how much he helped defensively - he was on one of 3-4 lines.

A better example is Basketball, where if the team was hell-bent on getting Isiah 40 (or throwing it 700 times with Stafford/Calvin), they were likely going to lose. It was only when they bought in to play a team game that they climbed the top of the ladder - and pretty much changed the landscape of the NBA to a total street ball when they forced the NBA's hand to crack down on defense to promote the Jordan era of points, highlights, and more ESPN.

For the Lions to have success they need to do every phase of the specialist game well. Pass, Run, Pass Defense, Run Defense and Special Teams. Throwing it 700 times just makes you 1 dimensional and easier to defense.

I'm not sure what that has to do with my post. You can take any of the championship teams, it doesn't have to be the Wings. Everyone roots for players even if you are a manly man. The 84 Tigers have a load of players who people revere because they were on the team.

Again if you don't care about players and only care for championships the Lions aren't for you. If you don't like the fans or the players, what is the use of following the team?

Believe me, if the Lions pulled off the impossible and won a Super Bowl every player on the team would be lauded even with the many men.

[dpatnod]

Jamie: Without Megatron, Matthew Stafford likely Lions' biggest weapon

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2016/05/28/jamie-without-megatron-matthew-stafford-likely-lions-biggest-weapon/85080618/

[DanO]

Jamie: Without Megatron, Matthew Stafford likely Lions' biggest weapon

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nf...apon/85080618/

He was the biggest weapon in the eyes of fans and the media promoted that. He wasn't. He was average.

Also, if you're the QB and you're being told to get the ball to Calvin, isn't that counter team productive not to mention QB counter-productive.

[chemiclord]

Holy shit... the cornbread must be piping hot in DanO's house.

Only in the bitter Lions fan world is Calvin Johnson an "average" wide receiver. The delusions are coming in fast and strong. Take of the Honolulu Blue glasses. They're worse without CJ. Period.

[Masspartan]

Holy shit... the cornbread must be piping hot in DanO's house.

Only in the bitter Lions fan world is Calvin Johnson an "average" wide receiver. The delusions are coming in fast and strong. Take of the Honolulu Blue glasses. They're worse without CJ. Period.

Calvin was 17th in yards/game last season ... which would put him precisely in the middle of the pack of #1 receivers. Or about average.

just saying.

[Fraquar]

I'm not sure what that has to do with my post. You can take any of the championship teams, it doesn't have to be the Wings. Everyone roots for players even if you are a manly man. The 84 Tigers have a load of players who people revere because they were on the team.

Again if you don't care about players and only care for championships the Lions aren't for you. If you don't like the fans or the players, what is the use of following the team?

Believe me, if the Lions pulled off the impossible and won a Super Bowl every player on the team would be lauded even with the many men.

It's pretty simple actually. All of those championships were won by teams where the players do both - play offense and defense (minus the pitcher and DH in the AL). They are pretty much in control for the entirety of the game. Hockey is the closest because Yzerman was sitting on the bench for about 60-70% of the game - he needed help.

In football, it's totally different. It's a specialist game, and you have to make the most of the few opportunities you get in a game. Pretty sure that unlike guys like Yzerman and Isiah, Stafford still hasn't really tapped his potential - he needs to up his game, despite his unwillingness to work with a QB guru in the offseason.

[froot loops]

Whoosh!

[dwt1]

It's pretty simple actually. All of those championships were won by teams where the players do both - play offense and defense (minus the pitcher and DH in the AL). They are pretty much in control for the entirety of the game. Hockey is the closest because Yzerman was sitting on the bench for about 60-70% of the game - he needed help.

In football, it's totally different. It's a specialist game, and you have to make the most of the few opportunities you get in a game. Pretty sure that unlike guys like Yzerman and Isiah, Stafford still hasn't really tapped his potential - he needs to up his game, despite his unwillingness to work with a QB guru in the offseason.

That is why many NFL games are decided by the outcome of a handful of plays.

[dpatnod]

seriously? You really don't know the answer to that? Let me help you, it has something to do with the team winning.

Yeah, my buddy - probably my best friend in the world - also has some things where common sense and even some more complex things like causality (more in a space-time sense) just doesn't compute for him. We have had arguments as a result. But, all good. Think your BS.

Happy Memorial Day brotha.